Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 8

[Cray]

The civil war started in 2014.
Burnt alive in Odessa:

Anyone thinking that the Donbass (the vast majority Russian speakers) didn't need intervention, is complicit in the crimes committed against those citizens.

How many Russian speakers have died as a result of this invasion?

 

[rambo919]

Ok, let's make it a little easier for you.

1) physical invasion starts war

2) physical invasion starts peace

Which one works in your mind?

Read what I said again to spot your mistake.

1 is sometimes true but not always depending on whether the war started before the invasion or not
2 is only true if the invasion ends in complete genocide, no enemy no war

 

[rambo919]

How many Russian speakers have died as a result of this invasion?

How many died before?

Advocating doing nothing would still leave thousands dead if Russia allowed this to play out over the next decade without stepping in.

 

[AlmightyBender]

You know, you lot keep mentioning it as if the invasion itself is the most important aspect of this conflict when it's just one of many.

Holy sh*t this is dumb. What's the most important part? Putins fears and feelings?

You honestly were not missed at all and this forum is worse with you back. Please do the world a favour and get yourself banned again ASAP.

 

[Cray]

Advocating doing nothing would still leave thousands dead if Russia allowed this to play out over the next decade without stepping in.

If Russia had done nothing no one would have died, but they stoked the rebellion and armed one side because they got mad that Ukraine preferred the West over them.

You don't get to create a conflict and then invade over concerns about the deaths you caused.

 

[Dave]

Read what I said again to spot your mistake.

1 is sometimes true but not always depending on whether the war started before the invasion or not
2 is only true if the invasion ends in complete genocide, no enemy no war

You really are a bit retarded strange at times, I'm not even going to try and unpick that weird logic.

 

[rambo919]

It's weird to me how people are pretending this part of the world is not constantly at war but they completely ignore the middle east.

Everyone forget about Syria where almost no one is not backing a side in an insane proxy civil war? I remember something about Israel and Russia almost going to war because of Iran at some stage in this conflict.

 

[hexagon]

How many died before?

Advocating doing nothing would still leave thousands dead if Russia allowed this to play out over the next decade without stepping in.

It was very widely known, in the west, that Russia saw that a battle for its own survival was being initiated:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1626358498383495169

 

[rambo919]

If Russia had done nothing no one would have died, but they stoked the rebellion and armed one side because they got mad that Ukraine preferred the West over them.

Uhm.... people were dying almost daily.....

 

[Cray]

Uhm.... people were dying almost daily.....

And why where they dying daily? Because Russia interfered with a sovereign country, armed insurrections and encouraged them to fight.

Have you ever wondered why this Civil War only happened after Russia committed an act of aggression by annexing Crimea, do you think that was a coincidence?

 

[rambo919]

Oh this is funny, even Wikipedia admits this war started in 2014.

War in Donbas (2014–2022) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[rambo919]

And why where they dying daily? Because Russia interfered with a sovereign country, armed insurrections and encouraged them to fight.

Now you are shifting goalposts like mad.

Have you ever wondered why this Civil War only happened after Russia committed an act of aggression by annexing Crimea, do you think that was a coincidence?

Of course it's not coincidence. This however does nothing to bolster your claim that Russia not launching a full scale invasion would in any way stop deaths.

 

[Cray]

Oh this is funny, even Wikipedia admits this war started in 2014.

War in Donbas (2014–2022) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Did you notice this part...

 

[Paulsie]

If Russia had done nothing no one would have died, but they stoked the rebellion and armed one side because they got mad that Ukraine preferred the West over them.

You don't get to create a conflict and then invade over concerns about the deaths you caused.

And if the US had done nothing in 2014 (and good ole John stayed at home), things might have turned into a peaceful transition of government, with Crimea intact.
Amazing how the US always supports the oppressed, the minorities fighting against their neferious government, and the freedom fighters, while Russia only ever supports the separatists and armed rebels.

 

[Cray]

Now you are shifting goalposts like mad.

Nope, my point has always been that the deaths in the Ukrainian civil war where the fault of Russia arming and encouraging the rebels.

Of course it's not coincidence. This however does nothing to bolster your claim that Russia not launching a full scale invasion would in any way stop deaths.

Take a look at the number of civillian deaths in Ukraine in the three years before the invasion...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1293409/civilian-deaths-related-to-russia-ukraine-conflict/







So in the three years prior to the invasion, a total of 78 civillians died. So far 8231 civillians have died as a result of this invasion, the Russians are really doing a great job saving all those people..

 

[HideInLight]

Now you are shifting goalposts like mad.


Of course it's not coincidence. This however does nothing to bolster your claim that Russia not launching a full scale invasion would in any way stop deaths.

How big of an imbecile are you?

All those deaths in Mariupol would not have happened. Kherson and Kyiv would not of been bombed. Prior to the war those places were starting to prosper. They have never and will never belong to Russia.

 

[Cray]

And if the US had done nothing in 2014 (and good ole John stayed at home), things might have turned into a peaceful transition of government, with Crimea intact.
Amazing how the US always supports the oppressed, the minorities fighting against their neferious government, and the freedom fighters, while Russia only ever supports the separatists and armed rebels.

It's always the fault of the US isn't it?

Russia annexes Crimea, US to blame.

Russia stokes a civil war and arms the rebels, darn Yankees again

Russia invades Ukraine, bloody meddling Americans.

 

[Matata]

New development in FPV kamikaze drones:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1636078445741453313

 

[ToxicBunny]

Read what I said again to spot your mistake.

1 is sometimes true but not always depending on whether the war started before the invasion or not
2 is only true if the invasion ends in complete genocide, no enemy no war

OK this takes the cake for stupidest post on the intereweebs today.. You claim spot 1,2 & 3 for the day.

 

[rambo919]

For convenience lemme give a quick overview of the rough timeline as I understand it.

• NATO promises Russia as part of it's negotiations with the post-Soviet government it will not expand eastwards.
• Russia joins the world markets.
• Russia realizes the organs of proto world government wishes to abolish Nationhood.
• Due to having constant problems with terrorism and being rebuffed by the west in 2000 with the so called War on Terror Russia starts mistrusting the intentions of the West in general.
• NATO starts expanding eastwards.
• Russia starts withdrawing from world government organizations and becoming more insular.
• Russia starts more strongly nationalistic than before.
• At some point BRICS is formed as an alternative economic alliance.
• Murican politicians personally invest heavily in the Ukrainian political system and essentially convert it to a Murican client state right on the border of Russia.
• Within Ukraine, Ukrainians and Russians start splitting on ethnic lines.
• Tensions boil over in 2014 with Russian retaliatory interference in Ukraine providing Russia with a solid pretext for annexation.
• Ukraine in retaliation begins a campaign of ethnically cleansing all Russian influence including banning the use of the Russian language. This is probably the single biggest mistake Ukraine made except for allowing indiscriminate shelling and torture of civilians.
• Russian Ukrainians with Russian support start fighting back.
• In retaliation Ukraine allows units in it's military including the infamous Nazi battalions to constantly shell Russian cities and neighborhoods.
• In retaliation for that Russia keeps stepping in with limited responses forcing Ukraine to sign treaties
• Ukraine renegs on all treaties as ethnic hostilities within it's borders continue
• Russia looses all patience with intimidation tactics and launches a full scale invasion.

This war has been fought in three consecutive phases that sometimes intersected:

1. Geopolitical
2. Diplomatic with skirmishes
3. Full Kinetic Invasion

You cannot separate the third phase from the previous two.