Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 8

buchanan8

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And why where they dying daily? Because Russia interfered with a sovereign country, armed insurrections and encouraged them to fight.

Have you ever wondered why this Civil War only happened after Russia committed an act of aggression by annexing Crimea, do you think that was a coincidence?

I'm guessing you don't consider a violent unlawful coup that killed numerous police officers and overthrew the elected government; threatened and intimidated opposition party members (many into exile); massacres against Russian-Ukrainians in Odessa and Mariupol; downgrading of the Russian language (which many in eastern Ukraine soley spoke) as aggressive actions?

You MyBB Bandera-ites are just the best!
 

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I'm guessing you don't consider a violent unlawful coup that killed numerous police officers and overthrew the elected government;
The president was voted out by the Ukranian parliament, the Coup narrative kinda falls apart when you consider that.

threatened and intimidated opposition party members (many into exile); massacres against Russian-Ukrainians in Odessa and Mariupol;
Citation? Who was responsible for those deaths?
 
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I think USA should deploy some F-16s to search for their drone over international waters


Ukrainian defenders have noted an atypical Russian activity in the Black Sea; Russians have deployed 20 ships and a large number of units of the auxiliary fleet ships there.

Source: Nataliia Humeniuk, Head of the Joint Press Centre for Operational Command Pivden (South), during the national 24/7 broadcast on 16 March

Quote: "We are carefully monitoring the naval group in the Black Sea and the actions of the enemy.

Atypical activity and number of ship groups were recorded. There are currently 20 units in the Black Sea, including 4 missile carriers, one of them is underwater; the total salvo is 28 missiles that can be equipped for launch."

Details: Also, according to Humeniuk, many units of the auxiliary fleet were recorded at sea.

All the ships are scattered, so maybe the Russians want to find the wreckage of the American drone they talked about earlier.

Humeniuk noted that the occupiers are trying to "cover the naval operations in the Black Sea as much as possible and are trying to hide their actions" from the Ukrainian defenders, but careful observation gives results, and the defenders see and understand Russia’s steps ahead.
 

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I'm guessing you don't consider a violent unlawful coup that killed numerous police officers and overthrew the elected government; threatened and intimidated opposition party members (many into exile); massacres against Russian-Ukrainians in Odessa and Mariupol; downgrading of the Russian language (which many in eastern Ukraine soley spoke) as aggressive actions?

You MyBB Bandera-ites are just the best!
1) that's not what happened you disgusting liar
2) even if it did literally none of that fantasy events is an aggresive action towards Russia. None. Ukraine internal matter that is none of Russia's business.
 
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Recovery of a US surveillance drone that crashed after being intercepted by Russian fighter jets would be challenging given the deep waters in the Black Sea, a senior United States general said, as reports emerged of Russian vessels at the crash site.


Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff General Mark Milley said remains of the uncrewed MQ-9 Reaper drone, which the US claims was brought down by one of two Russian Su-27 jets clipping the drone’s propeller, sank in waters as deep as 1,219 to 1,524 meters (4,000 to 5,000 feet).

“It probably sank to some significant depths, so any recovery operation from a technical standpoint would be very difficult,” Milley told reporters on Wednesday. Milley added it would take several days before the US would know for certain the size of the debris field.

Moscow – which denies that its jets were in physical contact with the drone – said it would try to retrieve the drone wreckage as reports emerged on Thursday of US officials confirming that Russian ships had reached the crash site.

ABC News senior Pentagon reporter Luis Martinez tweeted that two US officials had confirmed the presence of Russian ships at the location of the crash in the Black Sea.


2 U.S. officials confirm Russian ships are at the location where the MQ-9 drone crashed into the Black sea.
— luis martinez (@LMartinezABC) March 16, 2023
 

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Only if you believe the war started with the kinetic phase, which I don't.
So how did Ukraine start this war with Russia in the so-called "non kinetic phase"?

No no changing the meaning, if a word as important of that caries emotional weight that weight was added inaccurately so once you strip the weight away you come to the objective (as in emotionless) truth. Emotional terms used in that way are nothing more than propaganda lies.
So then why use the word "ethnic cleansing" when it in no, shape or form describes what happened in Ukraine?


It was an actual law limiting the the use.... how the hell was that voluntary?
It was a law stipulating the official language of the country. It's like saying that because one of the 11 official languages of SA is not German, the use of German is being limited in South Africa.

The difference between natural assimilation and cleansing is government force being brought to bear progressively forbidding the use.
Russian was never forbidden, it was just not to be used as an official government language.


I take it you have not noticed how angry Afrikaners are about their language being attacked this way....
I have noticed a lot of angry people in South Africa, simply being angry isn't proof of anything.

There is functionally only one language official in SA... English. All others are being cleansed as well as collatoral damage in the ANC's war on Afrikaners.
Again, that word is being used incorrectly.

Use duckduckgo, less biased than google. I can't think why you would have much difficulty. Again, most of what I remember is from interviews over the last few years so can't specifically say without rewatching the lot.
So, any key words to suggest, or should I just rummage through everything on the internet written about Ukraine in the hope I stumble upon the interview that you are talking about?
 

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@Cray

To put it differently.... don't be this guy. You have the capacity to find truth without extra help the same as me. If you havent yet you just have not looked.
The point is, I don't agree with your interpretation of things. You simply saying, "google it and find out" is spectacularly unhelpful.

It's like pointing at the Great library and telling people, the truth is in there, you just have to find the same book I read, of course am not going to tell you what book it was, but you clearly have to capacity to find the obscure book I read that reveals the real truth so have at it. :X3:
 

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I think USA should deploy some F-16s to search for their drone over international waters


Ukrainian defenders have noted an atypical Russian activity in the Black Sea; Russians have deployed 20 ships and a large number of units of the auxiliary fleet ships there.

Source: Nataliia Humeniuk, Head of the Joint Press Centre for Operational Command Pivden (South), during the national 24/7 broadcast on 16 March

Quote: "We are carefully monitoring the naval group in the Black Sea and the actions of the enemy.

Atypical activity and number of ship groups were recorded. There are currently 20 units in the Black Sea, including 4 missile carriers, one of them is underwater; the total salvo is 28 missiles that can be equipped for launch."

Details: Also, according to Humeniuk, many units of the auxiliary fleet were recorded at sea.

All the ships are scattered, so maybe the Russians want to find the wreckage of the American drone they talked about earlier.

Humeniuk noted that the occupiers are trying to "cover the naval operations in the Black Sea as much as possible and are trying to hide their actions" from the Ukrainian defenders, but careful observation gives results, and the defenders see and understand Russia’s steps ahead.

LOL Russia is trying to get a glimpse of that 20 year old tech which is 30 years ahead of their own. :ROFL:
 

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The point is, I don't agree with your interpretation of things. You simply saying, "google it and find out" is spectacularly unhelpful.

It's like pointing at the Great library and telling people, the truth is in there, you just have to find the same book I read, of course am not going to tell you what book it was, but you clearly have to capacity to find the obscure book I read that reveals the real truth so have at it. :X3:
I am just being logically consistent and telling you to do what I do, when in doubt search out. I am under no obligation to educate the world with footnotes all over everything.... I am spectacularly bad at that anyway.
 

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The president was voted out by the Ukranian parliament, the Coup narrative kinda falls apart when you consider that.


Citation? Who was responsible for those deaths?

The process was unlawful and unconstitutional and therefore void. I'm not surprised you don't know this.
 

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1) that's not what happened you disgusting liar
2) even if it did literally none of that fantasy events is an attractive action towards Russia. None. Ukraine internal matter that is none of Russia's business.

You're so cute! :giggle: Can we go on a date?
 

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I am just being logically consistent and telling you to do what I do, when in doubt search out. I am under no obligation to educate the world with footnotes all over everything.... I am spectacularly bad at that anyway.

So what should we search out, a bit of a helping hand for us who are clearly neuron deficient in comparison to you.
 

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I am just being logically consistent and telling you to do what I do, when in doubt search out. I am under no obligation to educate the world with footnotes all over everything.... I am spectacularly bad at that anyway.
The problem being is that you insist you are right despite things that most people don't consider to be true.

Your point of view is not so compelling that I am motivated to spend a lot of time searching to back up the things you say. You claim you read different sources, great, your inability to actually name them and putting the burden on me to find out if you are actually right is really not something I am interested in. Lots of people believe weird stuff in this thread, at least if people cite their sources it makes it easier to see how they came to believe what they do.

You are just one person in this thread, going down an Internet rabbit hole to verify and explain every different viewpoint is not practical.
 

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Source for this being unlawful and unconstitutional if you please.

Professor Sakwa covers it in his book Frontline Ukraine. You lot don't give a fig about the constitutional law if it's your enemy's rights being overriden. Bunch of hypocrites.
 

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The process was unlawful and unconstitutional and therefore void. I'm not surprised you don't know this.
Oh I know that Russia was very forthright in declaring the government processes of another country unlawful and unconstitutional, I just don't think many people agree with them.
 

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Professor Sakwa covers it in his book Frontline Ukraine. You lot don't give a fig about the constitutional law if it's your enemy's rights being overriden. Bunch of hypocrites.

Oh ok, so it was an opinion of a Professor Sakwa, not an actual legal judgement.

Was hoping you'd have something a bit more than a pro-Putin scholars opinion to back up your statement.
 
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