Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 8

[Cray]

Professor Sakwa covers it in his book Frontline Ukraine. You lot don't give a fig about the constitutional law if it's your enemy's rights being overriden. Bunch of hypocrites.

Sarah Lain of the Royal United Services Institute describes Sakwa has essentially providing the Russian perspective on the Ukraine conflict.[13] A review in the Journal of Ukrainian Studies describes Frontline Ukraine as "openly polemical" and a "one-sided treatment of contemporary Russian politics and of Putin’s regime".[6] Paul D'Anieri describes it as "a polemical attack on Western policy... and a defense of Russia... Sakwa clearly sympathizes with Russia's position.

Odd that Professor Sakwa has a background in political science, not law, but he feels qualified to declare that something that happened in another country is unconstitutional?

 

[rambo919]

So how did Ukraine start this war with Russia in the so-called "non kinetic phase"?

No it was a later entry during the geopolitical phase.

It was then a spearpoint of the diplomatic phase.

So then why use the word "ethnic cleansing" when it in no, shape or form describes what happened in Ukraine?

Purposeful forceful de-Russification is definitely what happened. A good tactical move but disastrous strategically.

It was a law stipulating the official language of the country. It's like saying that because one of the 11 official languages of SA is not German, the use of German is being limited in South Africa.

The Germans knew that already coming here. No one took away their German institutions of learning as far as I can recall.

Russian was never forbidden, it was just not to be used as an official government language.

And officially BEE is not ethnic cleansing of whites from the economy it's just opening employment oppertuinity for blacks.

I have noticed a lot of angry people in South Africa, simply being angry isn't proof of anything.

It's the why you are missing, dismissing people as just angry is condescending.

Again, that word is being used incorrectly.

How is it incorrect? Something is being cleansed of something else.

So, any key words to suggest, or should I just rummage through everything on the internet written about Ukraine in the hope I stumble upon the interview that you are talking about?

I at this point actually forgot exactly what you want a source on.... or you were being vague. Just be specific and stop dismissing opinions you don't agree with as automatic propaganda. My opinions were literally formed a year ago at this point I cannot remember the details of why that far back.

 

[rambo919]

The problem being is that you insist you are right despite things that most people don't consider to be true.

Me going against popular opinion and fashion has been true my entire life.... it's habitual and very helpful for avoiding logic traps.

Your point of view is not so compelling that I am motivated to spend a lot of time searching to back up the things you say. You claim you read different sources, great, your inability to actually name them and putting the burden on me to find out if you are actually right is really not something I am interested in. Lots of people believe weird stuff in this thread, at least if people cite their sources it makes it easier to see how they came to believe what they do.

At this point I did not say I read them I said I listen to them, a lot has happened in this last year so you would have to listen to many hours of stuff which I know you probably won't do so I am unmotivated to even go look through what I have.

A good example (not related to you specifically) is the recent thread I made in PD..... NO ONE actually listened to the interview yet everyone had opinions what they thought it was about... all dead wrong.

Something that probably speaks to what you want to know is this but I haven't gotten to it yet so I can't say.

You are just one person in this thread, going down an Internet rabbit hole to verify and explain every different viewpoint is not practical.

Here is the differnce, if I thought there was something I did not know that had this kind of weight my curiosity would compel me to look for answers.

 

[buka001]

As many Germanic people as possible given limited capacity?

I dunno what exactly you are looking for here....

But in reality, not all Germanic people though.

 

[Unhappy438]

Posted in the other thread as well, easily dismisses Russian lies about the incident

 

[rambo919]

But in reality, not all Germanic people though.

You seem to be bored and baiting....

 

[buka001]

Posted in the other thread as well, easily dismisses Russian lies about the incident

Can you imagine the discourse if an American jet took down a Russian drone?

WAR! NUke them! How dare they! Typical US Imperialism!

 

[buka001]

You seem to be bored and baiting....

Clarifying what you mean.

The statistics and facts I have seem to show that Hitler did not care for his people or any people for that matter.

 

[Unhappy438]

Can you imagine the discourse if an American jet took down a Russian drone?

WAR! NUke them! How dare they! Typical US Imperialism!

Queue the excuses from the micro member fan club who have no idea how international airspace works.

 

[Cray]

Clarifying what you mean.

The statistics and facts I have seem to show that Hitler did not care for his people or any people for that matter.

Most especially when things took a turn for the worse in the bunker, he thought the German people deserved destruction for their "failures".

 

[rambo919]

Clarifying what you mean.

The statistics and facts I have seem to show that Hitler did not care for his people or any people for that matter.

To rebuild a race you would obviously need to trim the edges, in his mind it was still caring.

He simply moved himself beyond the micro to a macro ends justify the means. Does not mean he did not care at all.

He was the hero in his own story.

 

[rambo919]

Most especially when things took a turn for the worse in the bunker, he thought the German people deserved destruction for their "failures".

He went through a complete mental breakdown at the time. He also apologized at some point for failing the German People.

 

[Dave]

Read the wiki, it lists it as 2022 not 2014.

At least keep up with what I am saying literally meaning what it is saying.

Wikipedia disagrees with you

 

[MunosMachos]

Can you imagine the discourse if an American jet took down a Russian drone?

WAR! NUke them! How dare they! Typical US Imperialism!

Yes, the Americans will be like:
1. That is not one of ours.
2. That is just Russians spreading fake news, we would never do such a thing
3. If you talk about it on youtube or facebook you will be silenced and banned.
4. That is a right-wing/left-wing conspiracy.
5. This is nowhere mentioned on mainstream media so it not really important and likely fake news.

The poor drone, he had a "faulty" Identification, Friend or Foe (IFF) transponder. Classic USA tactic for false flag events.

 

[Unhappy438]

Most especially when things took a turn for the worse in the bunker, he thought the German people deserved destruction for their "failures".

I saw a video a while ago, cant find it now where Hitler displayed open disgust at his bedraggled troops coming off the eastern front on train cars. He refused to even acknowledge their existence as he passed them.

 

[Dave]

Is it just me or has @rambo919 managed to completely derail this thread with his stupid trolling?

We are going over the same arguments that were discussed in part 1 or part 2 of the thread.

 

[rambo919]

snip

Let me rephrase then that you understand better.

There was small Russian invasion in August 2014 after the civil war started and Russia was drawn into it. They then withdrew from the civil war at least officially.

The full scale Russian invasion that everyone refers to as "the invasion" happened in February 2022.

Two separate events in the same war.

 

[Dave]

There was small Russian invasion in August 2014

The full scale Russian invasion that everyone refers to as "the invasion" happened in February 2022.

So you admit it, good start, the first invasion was in 2014, the Russians then annexed and occupied parts of Ukraine. The war started in 2014.
The second invasion in 2022 opened new fronts in the same war.

 

[rambo919]

So you admit it, good start, the first invasion was in 2014, the Russians then annexed and occupied parts of Ukraine. The war started in 2014.
The second invasion in 2022 opened new fronts in the same war.

Uhm no read again, the Crimea annexation happened in February 2014, the temporary invasion only happened in August 2014 and was unrelated...

 

[buka001]

Yes, the Americans will be like:
1. That is not one of ours.
2. That is just Russians spreading fake news, we would never do such a thing
3. If you talk about it on youtube or facebook you will be silenced and banned.
4. That is a right-wing/left-wing conspiracy.
5. This is nowhere mentioned on mainstream media so it not really important and likely fake news.

The poor drone, he had a "faulty" Identification, Friend or Foe (IFF) transponder. Classic USA tactic for false flag events.

If you watch the video, its clear the Russian pilot missed on his attempt to spray the drone.