Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 8

Dave

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Uhm no read again, the Crimea annexation happened in February 2014, the temporary invasion only happened in August 2014 and was unrelated...


The Russian occupation of Crimea is an ongoing military occupation within Ukraine by the Russian Federation, which began on 20 February 2014 when the military-political, administrative, economic and social order of Russia was spread to the Autonomous Republic of Crimea[8][9][10] and Sevastopol.

The occupation of Crimea and Sevastopol was the beginning of the Russo-Ukrainian War.

On the night of 26–27 February, Russian special forces seized and blocked the Supreme Soviet of Crimea and the Council of Ministers of Crimea. Representatives of the so-called Crimean militia, with the support of military personnel of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, seized other administrative buildings, airports in Simferopol and Sevastopol
 

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The Russian occupation of Crimea is an ongoing military occupation within Ukraine by the Russian Federation, which began on 20 February 2014 when the military-political, administrative, economic and social order of Russia was spread to the Autonomous Republic of Crimea[8][9][10] and Sevastopol.

The occupation of Crimea and Sevastopol was the beginning of the Russo-Ukrainian War.

On the night of 26–27 February, Russian special forces seized and blocked the Supreme Soviet of Crimea and the Council of Ministers of Crimea. Representatives of the so-called Crimean militia, with the support of military personnel of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, seized other administrative buildings, airports in Simferopol and Sevastopol
Dude, read further down the damn wiki page.... the invasion had nothing directly to do with Crimea.
 

The Trutherizer

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Posted in the other thread as well, easily dismisses Russian lies about the incident

I must say the cameras and tracking on that drone must be freaking spectacular to take high frame rate footage like that. And then the tech to transmit the data.
It's phenomenal.

This while Russia's pulling silicon from washing machines and using repurposed DSLR cameras for military purposes. They are out of their depth.
 

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Can you imagine the discourse if an American jet took down a Russian drone?

WAR! NUke them! How dare they! Typical US Imperialism!
True, but just imagine Russian getting away with their drones doing surveillance 50km from the US's Pacific coastline.
 

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buchanan8

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Oh ok, so it was an opinion of a Professor Sakwa, not an actual legal judgement.

Was hoping you'd have something a bit more than a pro-Putin scholars opinion to back up your statement.

The constitution was not followed. Fact. That is not somebody's opinion. It was the most brazen, illegal coup of recent times with far-reaching consequences.

Why not just be honest and admit you don't care about the law if it is people you dislike whose legal rights are being trampled?

Seems Hitchens also knows the law wasn't followed. Just admit you only care about law and democracy when it suits your side.

 

ToxicBunny

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The constitution was not followed. Fact. That is not somebody's opinion. It was the most brazen, illegal coup of recent times with far-reaching consequences.

Why not just be honest and admit you don't care about the law if it is people you dislike whose legal rights are being trampled?

Seems Hitchens also knows the law wasn't followed. Just admit you only care about law and democracy when it suits your side.


Please provide the legal judgement that backs up that statement.

**EDIT** And just for reference, I am perfectly willing to admit that what happened was illegal and unconstitutional but I need to see the legal judgements that actually show that not some randoms opinion.
 

buka001

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True, but just imagine Russian getting away with their drones doing surveillance 50km from the US's Pacific coastline.
China have been doing so for years. Only when one of their balloons veered into US territory, did they shoot it down.
 

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Odd that Professor Sakwa has a background in political science, not law, but he feels qualified to declare that something that happened in another country is unconstitutional?
Lol now you sound like Cosmik Debris. Only his hand picked 'expert' can comment.

It remains a fact. Ukraine's Constitution was not followed = unlawful. No amount of denial or trying to pass that off as 'just somebody's opinion' changes that fact.

You guys try to use the same trick regarding assurances about NATO expansion. The trick being to just cover your eyes and ears and deny it ever happened.
 

Sensorei

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China have been doing so for years. Only when one of their balloons veered into US territory, did they shoot it down.
An oversized weather balloon with a Fong-Kong GoPro camera vs. a 20 metre wide MQ Reaper drone capable of carrying laser guided missiles. Hardly comparable. The one is little bit more threatening than the other.
 

The Trutherizer

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On the necessity to close loopholes in the sanctions against Russia. Browder is worth listening to. Russia hates the guy, because he refused to play ball with them, and then turned around to actively oppose their criminal MO. Instrumental in getting the Magnitsky Act passed. All in all he's on a bit of a crusade against the Kremlin criminal cartel.


A phenomenal precedent. A lot of the heat that has Russia hot and bothered in recent years originates from Browder.
 

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Lol now you sound like Cosmik Debris. Only his hand picked 'expert' can comment.
What makes Sakwa an expert on legal matters? Surely and an actual lawyer should be the one making pronouncements on the constitutionality of some thing. What makes his judgement on the matter in any way authoritative?

It's weird that you have to go to him to get an opinion, surely if this was so obviously unconstitutional there would be a throng of legal experts that you could cite?

It remains a fact. Ukraine's Constitution was not followed = unlawful.
A "fact" as decided by something with no background in law, his "expert" opinion carries about as much weight on the subject as yours does

No amount of denial or trying to pass that off as 'just somebody's opinion' changes that fact.
You guys try to use the same trick regarding assurances about NATO expansion. The trick being to just cover your eyes and ears and deny it ever happened.
You have my sympathies, it can't be easy to convince people that the fictions you believe in are actually true.
 
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