Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 8

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Sensorei said:
Lol, so easily upset. Get back to your CNN news. You might miss the latest thing you can be offended by.

Wrong. The majority of the US supports sending assistance to Ukraine, but only about 25% support sending US troops to Ukraine. Ukraine can't win without US or Nato alliance troops.
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I would question even 25% supporting sending their own troops into Ukraine..... aid and military assistance for days yes, their own troops no.

And currently I'd say on a per soldier basis, Ukraine is not doing too badly, and they have constant training in more modern tactics and techniques whereas the Russians are just sending more and more untrained cannon fodder to the front... so I would hazard a guess that the casuality/death ratio between Ukraine and Russia is actually going to widen.
 
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True, but just imagine Russian getting away with their drones doing surveillance 50km from the US's Pacific coastline.
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Lol maybe google "Russian plane US airspace intercept" and set the date to before last week (so you don't get flooded with this drone crap) and you might be shocked at what you see.
 
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True, but just imagine Russian getting away with their drones doing surveillance 50km from the US's Pacific coastline.
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Yeah, imagine...

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/russian-bombers-intercepted-miles-us-airspace/story?id=71171943

Russian bombers intercepted 8 miles from US airspace
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U.S. Air Force F-22 fighter jets intercepted two sets of Russian bombers off the coast of Alaska on Wednesday morning, one of them coming 8 miles from entering U.S. territorial airspace that extends 12 miles from the coastline. Though the Russian bombers remained in international airspace, Wednesday's intercept appears to be the closest to U.S. territorial limits in recent memory.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-jets-intercept-4-russian-warplanes-near-alaska-norad/

American F-16 jets intercept 4 Russian warplanes near Alaska​

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"Russian aircraft remained in international airspace and did not enter American or Canadian sovereign airspace," it said, adding that such Russian activity "occurs regularly and is not seen as a threat, nor is the activity seen as provocative."
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Now tell me which of the two countries do you think is being reasonable?
 
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Unhappy438 said:
Did you hear Ukraine was running out of troops? Any day now Russia will complete its 3 day smo.
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Yeah and Zelensky also knows he can't win without US troops... He must be begging Joe to send some of his elite warfighters to help turn the tide.
 
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For sure it's complicated. But the bottom line is that having the US military and NATO so close to Russia a nationality security threat to them and they will not tolerate it. The West's interference might look like it's helping Ukraine now with the supplying of weapons and supplies. But it's ultimately going to causing the absolute destruction of Ukraine.

The USA are using Ukraine as a pawn. Russia can not lose this war. They will sacrifice half of their men and destroy the whole of Ukraine before they let NATO set up base in Ukraine. The only way out this for Ukraine is negotiation, and Zelenski and the West have pretty much screwed that up.

Zelenski knows he can't win this war without the USA sending their troops in. But there is zero chance that Biden will do that.
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Where did you not understand. Ukraine does not belong to russia and ukraine has the sovreign right to choose who and how they ally themselves with. If Putin doesnt like it then they shouldnt have ****ed things up that ended up with the USSR breaking up
 
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Major Boredom said:
Where did you not understand. Ukraine does not belong to russia and ukraine has the sovreign right to choose who and how they ally themselves with. If Putin doesnt like it then they shouldnt have ****ed things up that ended up with the USSR breaking up
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Ok lets try some school boy logic for you. How many times throughout History has a sovereign nation been invaded by a stronger nation, all the men (that believed they could win) being slaughtered and women raped and now no longer exists because they would not negotiate terms. A lot. Obviously what's happening in Ukraine is a tragedy. Ukraine is a democratic sovereign state, but if they don't negotiate they will be destroyed, because the West is not going to save them at the cost of starting WW3.

What's going to happen here is Zelenski will accept that his losses are too heavy and that he's not going to get ground troops support from the West. He will accept the terms China will suggest as an intermediary to broker a peace, or he will go down as an honourable, brave, hero who should have saved some of his country before it was too late.
 
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Ok lets try some school boy logic for you. How many times throughout History has a sovereign nation been invaded by a stronger nation, all the men (that believed they could win) being slaughtered and women raped and now no longer exists because they would not negotiate terms. A lot. Obviously what's happening in Ukraine is a tragedy. Ukraine is a democratic sovereign state, but if they don't negotiate they will be destroyed, because the West is not going to save them at the cost of starting WW3.

What's going to happen here is Zelenski will accept that his losses are too heavy and that he's not going to get ground troops support from the West. He will accept the terms China will suggest as an intermediary to broker a peace, or he will go down as an honourable, brave, hero who should have saved some of his country before it was too late.
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OK.. Seems that the propaganda mill has decided to go back to this narrative now.
 
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AlmightyBender said:
Here we have might makes right mentality in full effect.

So... here in the civilized world... no. Just no. You don't get to be a bully without consequences. Decent people stick up for others. Freedom is worth fighting for. So kindly GFY.
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Another one for the list.

Not lus for 30 pages of nuttery. Life is to short to waste on simpletons.

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Ok lets try some school boy logic for you. How many times throughout History has a sovereign nation been invaded by a stronger nation, all the men (that believed they could win) being slaughtered and women raped and now no longer exists because they would not negotiate terms. A lot. Obviously what's happening in Ukraine is a tragedy. Ukraine is a democratic sovereign state, but if they don't negotiate they will be destroyed, because the West is not going to save them at the cost of starting WW3.

What's going to happen here is Zelenski will accept that his losses are too heavy and that he's not going to get ground troops support from the West. He will accept the terms China will suggest as an intermediary to broker a peace, or he will go down as an honourable, brave, hero who should have saved some of his country before it was too late.
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Urgh... It always comes back to the iron fist if all else fails huh?

Newsflash. There are several other big, hard knuckle bouquets out there. If Russia maintains the annexation, then by the time Russia economically recovers from isolation in any way, it will not even be a fossil fuel driven world anymore, and Russia will basically be the discount, and stinking corrupt, version of Canada in Asia or nothing. A drastic reduction in their economic might. Which newsflash B - Affects all their other forms of might. Their own fault. Nobody has any responsibility to play ball with Russia in matters unilaterally to Russia's benefit. Let alone if that benefit comes at the expense of negative effects for other nations in the UN. If they withdraw and gain back the good decades which remained for them in the fossil fuel era, then that will by definition be a victory for Ukraine. A stalemate is less desirable for Russia and allies than it is for the rest of the UN.

Victory for Ukraine, by Ukraine's definition of victory, is literally a win-win situation for both Ukraine and Russia. Just not for Putin and co...
 
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