Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part3

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Mirai

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I don't have a problem with this guy, or the ones blowing up the pows being shot.

On both sides however there are normal soldiers, just doing their jobs, and there are rogue units (mercenary types) that do this kind of atrocity.

Expressions like extermination, Russia and their friends - happy hunting (ie anyone who is Russian) is very dangerous as it does not differentiate. Very late 30s Germany if you ask me.

We know there are bad people on both sides.

But Russia is waging a war of aggression.

Russia has no right to be in Ukraine.

The bad Russian soldiers are just a cherry on the cake in terms of evil.

Try to grasp this because you're making both equivalent. The fight is on Ukrainian soil and Ukrainian civilians are suffering. Not Russian soil. Not Russian civilians.

Russia kept on electing Putin for the past 20 years. They went with his ideology. They could protest like we saw in the 1990s but they don't.

South Africans voted out apartheid in a referendum. Russians it appears don't care.

You came to South Africa as an immigrant (as I did) try use that as a standard and not what Stalin or Beria did.
 

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We'll hear the pro-Russian people say: Azov are terrorists because of Western media coverage told us. But this, with Russian nazis fighting in Ukraine in a war of aggression started by Russia, that's OK.
 

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What utter junk! Hope you posted this as entertainment and not for what it says?
Not that it's not propaganda (youth of different nationalities - Moldova, Tatar, Kazakh - unifying as Russian), but a fist pump with left hand is now a Sieg Heil?

Edit: @The Trutherizer obviously thinks so
I posted for the video , I don't care what type of salute they use , it's still a Fascist ideology. I've been there done that (more like, it was done to me).
Z might be half a swastika , but sure as hell Russia is using it as a full swastika.
 

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Sickening. So many Russians actually seem to believe that anybody they have an argument with are fascists. I'm so over it. Is there not a single dictionary in Russia? What about... I don't know... The characteristics of fascism???

Russia is the country with the dictator. Fascist!
And are most definitely exhibiting many of the characteristics of an extreme far-right nationalist state. Fascist!
No real political opposition allowed. Fascist!
It's not even nearly a stretch to say Russia is racist, or at least overtly discriminating and antagonistic of an entire other culture - Which Russia has publicly, quite openly and undeniably, expressed the desire and intent to eradicate completely and forever. Attacking in word and deed the very concept of Ukranian'ess. Fascist!

I suppose it's understandable that dictators so easily gain control in Russia - Many Russians seem to be mentally challenged.
They should maybe call Italy and ask them to explain it. Or give the word back. They are butchering it.

For the Commies and for the Russians who are descenants of the commies and sometimes older commies, fascist = non-Commie. Soviets labelled the Nazi Germans that but actually the Germans were national-socialists.
Soviets labelled the capitalist Poles that too and the Ukrainians and other people, in fact Western Europeans would be fascist for them.
There were significant differences between Mussolini and Hitler's ideologies. You could just say both like Communist Russia were totalitarian.

There is a set of highly referenced videos by TIK History on YT which explain these differences. Still these days we use fascist for totalitarian and Russian people seem to have enabled that because they vote the same crew since 2000 into office.

Ukraine being more Western i.e. more fascist and opposed to the Russian Mir is just fascism for Russian government and supporters.
 

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Blinken Holds First Call With Lavrov Since February, Ceasefires Not Discussed

During a news conference on Friday, Secretary of State Antony Blinken announced he held a call with his Russian counterpart Sergey Lavrov on a potential bilateral prisoner exchange. A State Department official said the call lasted approximately 25 minutes. Washington and Moscow’s top diplomats discussed the Ukrainian grain export deal brokered by the UN and Turkey with Kiev and Moscow. Reportedly, also part of their dialogue was the role U.S. sanctions play in preventing the movement of Russian food supplies and fertilizer. This is the first time Blinken has spoken to Lavrov since February 15th, more than a week before Russia invaded Ukraine.

Five months into this war, amid the economic turmoil the American led sanctions blitz has caused, there is no indication that Blinken attempted to push for a ceasefire or negotiations to end the conflict.

The call appears to have primarily focused on a tentative deal for the release of two Americans that Russia has detained. Blinken described the call to reporters at the State Department as "a frank and direct conversation." Adding he "pressed the Kremlin to accept the substantial proposal that we put forth on the release of Paul Whelan and Brittney Griner." Whelan is a former US Marine who was charged and convicted on espionage charges, he is currently serving a 16-year sentence. Griner is a WNBA player who was arrested and is on trial for cannabis oil possession. She could face as much as a ten year sentence.

A source told Reuters that for the two Americans’ release, Washington is willing to exchange the Russian arms trafficker Viktor Bout. Bout is serving a 25-year prison sentence. The Russian Foreign Ministry issued a statement which says Lavrov told Blinken, in the future, Moscow would prefer to conduct such prisoner swap diplomacy in a more professional and quiet manner. Speaking at a news conference in Uzbekistan, Lavrov said talks on prisoner exchanges have been ongoing since last year’s summit in Geneva where Presidents Joe Biden and Vladimir Putin agreed to nominate officials to pursue the issue.

The US played no role in talks that led to the recent deal opening safe corridors to facilitate the export of grain and fertilizer from Ukraine’s heavily mined Black Sea ports. However, Blinken emphasized that "the world expects Russia to fulfill its commitments."

 

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From the same post in comments. Apparently they made an English version as well. Have checked translations and they tally up.

Emirate of Paris!??

You sucker!!

Great indication of how unfiltered rubbish gets posted as credible information.


Wow , for a neutral person , you take everything offending Russia personally , and the only times you mention Ukraine is in connection with Nazi and any other dirt , real or not, you can dig out.

The post said it circulated on Russian telegram, which is true , no one is claiming anything else about it , other than Russians liking to share it.

So whats all that furry about it? Do you claim Russians didn't share it on telegram?
 

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More debunking of Jimmy Dore but it applies to our pro-Russian colleagues here.

 

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Russia is the country with the dictator. Fascist!
100%

The thing is, not all Russians are pro war, and not all Russians are happy with the status quo.

As I said, I have this Russian lady who works for me, and we did work in Russia prior to all of this.
Right now she is in SA temporarily, with her husband, and we are working on getting them to a friendly nation, closer to us. Edit - she is not pro war either I should add -

Like SA, we have the socialist tw@ts at the helm, but not all of us like what they are doing or the direction the country is going. Unfortunately, a bunch of people support the leader, blindly, and lo que sera - sera.

I suppose we have the same when people make the comment, ALL white South Africans are racist.
Not true.

Putin is the problem IMHO.

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The thing is, not all Russians are pro war, and not all Russians are happy with the status quo.

As I said, I have this Russian lady who works for me, and we did work in Russia prior to all of this.
Right now she is in SA temporarily, with her husband, and we are working on getting them to a friendly nation, closer to us. Edit - she is not pro war either I should add -

Like SA, we have the socialist tw@ts at the helm, but not all of us like what they are doing or the direction the country is going. Unfortunately, a bunch of people support the leader, blindly, and lo que sera - sera.

I suppose we have the same when people make the comment, ALL white South Africans are racist.
Not true.

Putin is the problem IMHO.

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I absolutely agree with you. More so it angers me when I see Russians and other supporting Putinism or being anti Ukrainian , like Buchan, NarrowBrainFascist and now Paulsie ....

They are just making Russians look worse and create more Russophobia, by not acknowledging the reality and the problems within Russia and this war.
 

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Worth reading it all

"Those in the Drama Theatre area ate all of the pigeons. They’re laying snares to catch them.


Pharmacies are closed, the only medicines are sold by people who were prescribed them by their family doctors for free. Everything costs 500 hryvnias [approximately $14 - ed.], even Phtalazol [a broad-spectrum antimicrobial drug - ed.].


A neighbour, a doctor from hospital no.5 who lived in my building, was killed during the evacuation from the Drama Theatre when [the Russians] dropped a bomb on it from a plane. My daughter’s classmate was killed: he went to fetch water in Novoselivka and bled to death from a shrapnel wound."

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"Sometimes a dog returns to the burned-down house. He goes up to the sixth-floor apartment where he used to live and howls and howls, for the entire neighbourhood to hear.

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"Doctors Without Borders must come to Mariupol. People start queueing for the pharmacy on 80, Myr Avenue overnight, it’s only possible to buy medicines off of someone else. There’s no medical assistance available. I can’t get my tooth looked at anywhere.


Household cleaning products are extremely expensive: a bottle of dish soap – say, like our Gala brand – today costs 120 hryvnias [approximately $3 - ed.], a pack of laundry detergent – 100 hryvnias [$2.70 - ed.]. International organisations managed to deliver hygiene supplies even to Syria and Afghanistan.

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"Yesterday, 100 bodies of dead peaceful Mariupol residents were pulled out from under the rubble during the clearing operations.


My daughter has to constantly reassure me that I haven’t lost my mind. Some people have gone crazy. A man on Kirova [either Kirova Square or Kirova Street – it is unclear from Nelly’s words - ed.] has lost his entire family and is now biding his time in a building that burned to the ground and refusing to leave."

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Nelly writes that the Russians’ portable "TV" has broken down – in place of the "zombie machine," there is now a man on the street who is shouting out propaganda messages all day long.
 
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