Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part3

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Dave said:
Technology wise the F-35 is far more advanced. The F-22 is a air superiority fighter, the F-35 is there to watch over the entire combat zone and kill you long before you are even aware it's there.

That's why the F-35 is the flavour of the month that so many countries now want.
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The F-35 (system) is not jut the plane itself. From what I understand the integration with other air, land and naval assets, both manned and unmanned, are significant.

The ambitions for the 6th gen air superiority fighter are even more outlandish. Directed energy offensive and defensive weapons for example.
 
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Not current war related, but found an informative dissertation work on Ua - EU relations between 1991-2014 (written in 2015).

Note: it is not a pro-russian article, just includes interesting and detailed info on Ua politics prior to Maidan

www.e-ir.info

EU-Ukraine Relations Before the 2014 Maidan Revolution

Ukraine’s unwillingness to disentangle itself from its past ties sent certain signals to the EU indicating hesitancy, reluctance, and suspicion towards Europe.
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The Trutherizer said:
The F-35 (system) is not jut the plane itself. From what I understand the integration with other air, land and naval assets, both manned and unmanned, are significant.

The ambitions for the 6th gen air superiority fighter are even more outlandish. Directed energy offensive and defensive weapons for example.
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And if this is anything to go by they will look pretty outlandish as well...

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The Trutherizer said:
The F-35 (system) is not jut the plane itself. From what I understand the integration with other air, land and naval assets, both manned and unmanned, are significant.

The ambitions for the 6th gen air superiority fighter are even more outlandish. Directed energy offensive and defensive weapons for example.
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The F-22 has a superior radar and stealth though. Yes the F-35 is a ground attack aircraft but if you can't achieve air superiority you can't use the F-35. Yes the F-22 can get additional advantages from F-35 but even the US has said that F-22 is the best fighter in the world. The F-22 also has a support system and actually costs more to support and maintain.

Note that high speeds were in the original 5th Gen fighter criteria but were omitted to let the F-35 in to be called a 5th gen fighter.

F-22 would have issues delivering nuclear weapons, it is possible to do it but the F-35 is more geared for this role.

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Why America never sold the F-22 Raptor to foreign countries

On Friday, an F-22 Raptor fighter jet took off from Langley Air Force Base, Virginia, and shot down a Chinese spy balloon with an AIM-9 air-to-air missile
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Unlike the vast majority of U.S. military aircraft, the F-22 was never designed to be exported. As such, it was packed with classified technology and produced through advanced production methodologies that the United States would rather keep close to the chest. To date, the U.S remains the leader in stealth aviation technologies the world over.
 
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NarrowBandFtw said:
just like Bucha? :cool:

Russia asked for an independent investigation, the only thing from Ukraine's side was that Russia massacred people ... without a shred of evidence
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Ah yes Bucha, Pro Russians relying on "solid" evidence gave conflicting versions, It was faked by British film makers, It was staged by Ukrainian's using corpses of dead people and posed. It was committed by Ukrainian's themselves for revenge on civilians suspected of been Russian sympathisers. So you see I have read all the BS that the Russian propaganda machine has churned out, despite overwhelming evidence and eye witness accounts showing otherwise.
 
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Paulsie said:
Putin's side said a number of times they were prepared to negotiate, but Zelensky did not make any attempts at what had originally been discussed back in March.

Propaganda indeed, lies - perhaps. And one does not even have to want to negotiate with Putin, but there is currently no movement to even remotely try and stop the atrocities.

Let's work/make proposals towards ceasefire and then see what happens.
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Answered well already. Putin's side can at the very least declare a ceasefire and hand over prisoners of war instead of killing them or having their proxies conduct show trials and executions. And as others have said Putin attacked a sovereign country for no rational reason that could justify such an attack in a just sense other than aggression and imperialism.

Putin could at the very least also repudiate statements such as these:
ccl.org.ua

RIA NOVOSTI has clarified Russia’s plans vis-à-vis Ukraine and the rest of the free world in a program like article: What Russia should do with Ukraine?

Back in April last year, we wrote about the inevitability of the denazification of Ukraine. We do not need Nazi (read Ukrainian), Bandera type of Ukraine (read Ukrainian), as the enemy of Russia and the West’s tool for the destruction of Russia. Today, the issue of denazification has moved into...
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NarrowBandFtw said:
the world's "finest intelligence agencies" claimed for at least three days after Severodonetsk fell that Ukraine still held it, then they did the same after Lysychansk fell

do try to keep up
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When the Russian forces arrive at a city or town it doesn't just magically become theirs. They have to capture the entire city or town and remove all resistance before they can claim victory.

In the case of Severodonetsk and Lysychansk, there were still pockets of Ukrainian resistance scattered about when Russia declared the towns taken. Russian propaganda figured they could claim premature victory since it was obvious that Russia had numerical superiority and it was only a matter of time before the entirety of the towns fell.
 
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More vapourware:

Putin: Russian navy to receive hypersonic missiles​

Russian President Vladimir Putin has said the Russian navy will receive hypersonic Zircon cruise missiles within the next few months.
Speaking to crowds in St Petersburg on Russia's annual Navy Day, Mr Putin touted the missiles as unique and said their deployment would depend on Russian interests.
"The delivery of these (missiles) to the Russian armed forces will start in the coming months," he said.
"The Admiral Gorshkov frigate will be the first to go on combat duty with these formidable weapons on board.
"The key thing here is the capability of the Russian navy."
The Russian leader also praised Tsar Peter the Great for making Russia a great sea power and said Russia had signed a new doctrine today explaining national economic interests.
Hypersonic weapons can travel at nine times the speed of sound, and Russia has conducted previous test-launches of the Zircon from warships and submarines over the past year.
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