Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part3

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vaakseun said:
During the border war, our strike craft and submarines were operating virtually with impunity off the Angolan coast, despite the almost constant presence of Russian/USSR warships, torpedo boats and submarines in the Angolan waters and harbours.

The Russians just couldn't fathom that we could be so cheeky and how they couldn't catch or spot us, so they came up with all kinds of wild conspiracy theories. One of them was that we were using Japanese fishing trawlers to insert our "commandos" into Angola, which was of course complete bollocks.

I think the Japanese trawler captains must have wondered why they were so frequently stopped and searched and otherwise rudely treated in Angolan waters.

At one point, Ystervuis divers also had a unique opportunity to blow a Russian kilo class submarine out of the water in an Angolan port whilst giving UNITA the credit.

Unfortunately the sub was only spotted whilst the divers were swimming right past it on their way to a different target. The divers did surface and discuss the potential of re-targeting, but just changing the mission parameters and making a spur of the moment decision in such a high stress situation that could potentially draw SA into a direct conflict with the USSR was a bit too much for the commander, so the opportunity was passed off.
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Insightful. Thanks.
 
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Solarion said:
Once I realized that Nico and Narrow are not arguing from a factual standpoint, but from a political and ideological one, things made a lot of sense. When religious and political ideologies are at the wheel, facts and evidence almost always take the back seat.

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That's a different way to look at it, and you're right, it does explain a lot of the
ridiculous things they appear to believe are true and are happy to argue the toss are true when it's quite apparent the belief has no basis in fact.
 
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lmao ... yeah about those mythical Kherson gains for Ukraine @Dave @Cosmik Debris ... L-fing-OL
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Ukrainian grain tycoon killed in Mykolaiv shelling as Putin threatens 'lightning speed' response to interference | CNN

A Ukrainian grain mogul and his wife were killed after the southern city of Mykolaiv came under intense shelling on Sunday, according to Ukrainian officials, as Russian President Vladimir Putin used his nation's Navy Day to issue more militaristic threats to anyone undermining Russia's...
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and all these strike icons on the pro-Ukraine map ... yeah those are Russian strikes on Ukraine's positions ... "cut off" my ass :ROFL:
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NarrowBandFtw said:
lmao ... yeah about those mythical Kherson gains for Ukraine @Dave @Cosmik Debris ... L-fing-OL
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Ukrainian grain tycoon killed in Mykolaiv shelling as Putin threatens 'lightning speed' response to interference | CNN

A Ukrainian grain mogul and his wife were killed after the southern city of Mykolaiv came under intense shelling on Sunday, according to Ukrainian officials, as Russian President Vladimir Putin used his nation's Navy Day to issue more militaristic threats to anyone undermining Russia's...
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and all these strike icons on the pro-Ukraine map ... yeah those are Russian strikes on Ukraine's positions ... "cut off" my ass :ROFL:
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Well yeah. It's not an air superiority fighter. More or a long range slugger providing overwatch from a distance. However when flanked by and coupled with one or two large drones and drone swarm payloads as well as integration and coordination with ground based AA and ship based missile systems it might be hard to tell. Add to that the versatility of the different configurations for the various military forces, and I think we'll see it serving for a loong time.

The F-22 Raptor is still an air superiority monster.
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I think once air superiority is achieved then any old ground attack aircraft can come along, F-16 or F-35. If you have air superiority to begin with you don't need F-15 or F-22. But still F-22 is superior to the F-35.
 
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Solarion said:
Once I realized that Nico and Narrow are not arguing from a factual standpoint, but from a political and ideological one, things made a lot of sense. When religious and political ideologies are at the wheel, facts and evidence almost always take the back seat.

I kind of cottoned onto this after Nic stated that minorities are treated very well in Syria. Which is absolute bullshit.

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I think everyone argues to some degree from ideology and lies can occur in any field. But I would agree that Narrow and Nico do argue more for ideology than others.

I also argue from ideology, part of my motivation is that Russia is a real threat in the region. Also Ukraine was attacked unjustly. What is this unjustly-- we can argue that this is ideologically based.

There are also pragmatic reasons to not let Russia get the upper hand such as not rewarding bad behaviour which will spur other people on to bypass the rules based order.
 
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