Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part3

[Dave]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1553736313685286915

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1553739968488538112

 

[ToxicBunny]

I think everyone argues to some degree from ideology and lies can occur in any field. But I would agree that Narrow and Nico do argue more for ideology than others.

I also argue from ideology, part of my motivation is that Russia is a real threat in the region. Also Ukraine was attacked unjustly. What is this unjustly-- we can argue that this is ideologically based.

There are also pragmatic reasons to not let Russia get the upper hand such as not rewarding bad behaviour which will spur other people on to bypass the rules based order.

I'd honestly say Russia is more than a threat in the region... Russia is a threat to the whole world really.

 

[Unhappy438]

I'd honestly say Russia is more than a threat in the region... Russia is a threat to the whole world really.

All terrorist organizations are a threat to the world.

 

[Grant]

More vapourware:

Using a hypersonic missile to kill a nazi seems a little excessive

 

[Grant]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1553695740228157447

Those pesky "precision" missiles playing up again?

 

[MiW]

When the asovs were trapped at mariupol letting them out into ukraine dressed in civilian/womans clothing or whatever is not even an option. You cannot be that stupid.

I am so glad you have the wisdom and understand why all Russians in every western country , should be detained and extradite back to Russia , after a few months of filtration in a camp, because as you being a genius. you realise that the small Russian kids and babushkas , might actually be a reall FSB agents dressed in kiddies clothes and old peoples clothes

If you are Russian , please inform the government straight away.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

oh god, tell us more about your extensive medic training

yes intelligence assessments ARE biased, did you somehow miss the multi-year Russia election hoax that the entire US intelligence core claimed was real?!?

it's all kabuki theatre, and you are the gullible fool buying popcorn in the queue expecting something real on stage

I was a medic over and above my military utilisation training. You know, an extra training I volunteered to do as the unit required a percentage of the unit to train as a medic over and above their utilisation? Shows how little you know about the military. And you don't even have the military training a medic has. Do you know they are front line troops?

Is the illegal Russian invasion of Ukraine also kabuki theatre or real?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

just like Bucha?

Russia asked for an independent investigation, the only thing from Ukraine's side was that Russia massacred people ... without a shred of evidence

Bucha was independently investigated. The Russians were the perps.

A view of newly-dug graves at the cemetery in Bucha, Ukraine on April 18, 2022. Russia has said it would oppose an independent investigation into an alleged massacre in the Kyiv suburb.

Russia Opposes UN Investigation Of Bucha War Crimes Allegations

Russian foreign ministry official Pyotr Ilyichev told RIA Novosti that previous probes for the International Criminal Court had been "biased."

www.newsweek.com

The chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court visited Bucha, Ukraine, on Wednesday, as the court continues its investigation into alleged war crimes committed in the war-torn country ...

Top ICC Prosecutor Visits Bucha As Court Investigates War Crimes In Ukraine

T The U.S. is weighing whether to assist the International Criminal Court—of which it isn’t a member—in a war crimes investigation.

www.forbes.com

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Birds / feathers

I have no idea where @Nicodeamus finds all these conspiracy theorists.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

So the answer to my question is to negotiate with Putin, but nobody is prepared to do that.

Negotiating with a despot leads to appeasement. Then the next demand for appeasement is made. That's why Hitler was not negotiated with, even after he sent his deputy Hess to do so.

 

[MiW]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/wck64o

 

[sefeddt]

 

[sefeddt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1553031392078045184

 

[vaakseun]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1553736313685286915

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1553739968488538112

They also mistook the USS George H.W Bush for the Admiral Kuznetsov:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1553757879592800257

 

[Cosmik Debris]

the world's "finest intelligence agencies" claimed for at least three days after Severodonetsk fell that Ukraine still held it, then they did the same after Lysychansk fell

do try to keep up

References when you make claims please...

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Ukraine desolved itself in 2014 with a nationalist coup which parts of the country refused to accept.

Would you like me to post the facts for the 23rd time?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Putin's side said a number of times they were prepared to negotiate, but Zelensky did not make any attempts at what had originally been discussed back in March.

Propaganda indeed, lies - perhaps. And one does not even have to want to negotiate with Putin, but there is currently no movement to even remotely try and stop the atrocities.

Let's work/make proposals towards ceasefire and then see what happens.

You don't negotiate with anyone that has forces in your country...

 

[Cosmik Debris]

don't shoot the messenger

Don't deliver false messages.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

More vapourware:

All missiles are hypersonic. No mention of the vapourware hypersonic glide vehicle I notice.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

When the asovs were trapped at mariupol letting them out into ukraine dressed in civilian/womans clothing or whatever is not even an option. You cannot be that stupid.

Yes, because women's clothing is kept in a steel plant just in case.