Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part3

[Cosmik Debris]

During the border war, our strike craft and submarines were operating virtually with impunity off the Angolan coast, despite the almost constant presence of Russian/USSR warships, torpedo boats and submarines in the Angolan waters and harbours.

The Russians just couldn't fathom that we could be so cheeky and how they couldn't catch or spot us, so they came up with all kinds of wild conspiracy theories. One of them was that we were using Japanese fishing trawlers to insert our "commandos" into Angola, which was of course complete bollocks.

I think the Japanese trawler captains must have wondered why they were so frequently stopped and searched and otherwise rudely treated in Angolan waters.

At one point, Ystervuis divers also had a unique opportunity to blow a Russian kilo class submarine out of the water in an Angolan port whilst giving UNITA the credit.

Unfortunately the sub was only spotted whilst the divers were swimming right past it on their way to a different target. The divers did surface and discuss the potential of re-targeting, but just changing the mission parameters and making a spur of the moment decision in such a high stress situation that could potentially draw SA into a direct conflict with the USSR was a bit too much for the commander, so the opportunity was passed off.

The East German vessel Arendsee was sunk in Luanda harbour instead by the seaborne commandos. The actual target was Angolan naval vessels and others of opportunity. The submarine was the SAS Johanna van der Merwe and the Operation was code named Nobilis. SA submarines often entered Angolan ports undetected with major Soviet naval assets in them.

The result of Ops Nobilis was that sleeping became impossible in Luanda harbour with hand grenades being tossed into the water every few minutes. The clang sound of the explosion even on ships far away makes sleep impossible.

It's little known but many more vessels were sunk or damaged and oil farms, bridges, railway yards and port facilities damaged or destroyed by South African seaborne raids right under Cuban and Russian noses. The Kapitan Visblokov being one of the major Russian vessels damaged.

This and details of other SA Navy and seaborne 4 Recce operations are contained in this book:

 

[flytek]

Azovstaal was full of women and children too up till the time they were all filtered by the victors.
And here's a nice piece of empire propaganda that will suit you old empire war dogs so there will be no further dispute.

Ukraine war: Civilians now out of Azovstal plant in Mariupol

All elderly people, women and children have left the Azovstal plant in Mariupol, say Ukraine and Russia.

www.bbc.com

 

[Dave]

Narrowband, do you recognise anyone in this Ruzzian promo advert?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1553053658845175808

 

[Dave]

Oops, the Kherson railway bridge appears to have developed some holes...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1553349452232024064

 

[Cosmik Debris]

lmao ... yeah about those mythical Kherson gains for Ukraine @Dave @Cosmik Debris ... L-fing-OL

Ukrainian grain tycoon killed in Mykolaiv shelling as Putin threatens 'lightning speed' response to interference | CNN

A Ukrainian grain mogul and his wife were killed after the southern city of Mykolaiv came under intense shelling on Sunday, according to Ukrainian officials, as Russian President Vladimir Putin used his nation's Navy Day to issue more militaristic threats to anyone undermining Russia's...

edition.cnn.com

and all these strike icons on the pro-Ukraine map ... yeah those are Russian strikes on Ukraine's positions ... "cut off" my ass
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Anything about the Russians cancelling their Navy Day because of it being attacked?

 

[sefeddt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1553040194680623104

 

[DreamKing]

Don't deliver false messages.

I quoted someone said something how that can be "false" except someone actually didn't say that, right?

any person said anything must be "fact checked" by you?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Azovstaal was full of women and children too up till the time they were all filtered by the victors.
And here's a nice piece of empire propaganda that will suit you old empire war dogs so there will be no further dispute.

Ukraine war: Civilians now out of Azovstal plant in Mariupol

All elderly people, women and children have left the Azovstal plant in Mariupol, say Ukraine and Russia.

www.bbc.com

Yes, and women and children's clothing fit soldiers who haven't seen a shaving kit for a month or so. You've obviously never been in a war zone...

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Narrowband, do you recognise anyone in this Ruzzian promo advert?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1553053658845175808

Eish, those cheap botox lips too...

 

[Cosmik Debris]

I quoted someone said something how that can be "false" except someone actually didn't say that, right?

any person said anything must be "fact checked" by you?

No, fact check before you post.

 

[DreamKing]

No, fact check before you post.

are you insane or what? fact check what? fact check did he say that?

 

[vaakseun]

The East German vessel Arendsee was sunk in Luanda harbour instead by the seaborne commandos. The actual target was Angolan naval vessels and others of opportunity. The submarine was the SAS Johanna van der Merwe and the Operation was code named Nobilis. SA submarines often entered Angolan ports undetected with major Soviet naval assets in them.

The result of Ops Nobilis was that sleeping became impossible in Luanda harbour with hand grenades being tossed into the water every few minutes. The clang sound of the explosion even on ships far away makes sleep impossible.

It's little known but many more vessels were sunk or damaged and oil farms, bridges, railway yards and port facilities damaged or destroyed by South African seaborne raids right under Cuban and Russian noses. The Kapitan Visblokov being one of the major Russian vessels damaged.

This and details of other SA Navy and seaborne 4 Recce operations are contained in this book:

There was an Angolan ship even bigger than Arendsee that was also sunk during that operation, forgot what her name was. I think Arendsee was the one that got the home-made dummy mine that was supposed to implicate UNITA.

Would have been real interresting if Tuffy Joubert had decided to go ahead with mining the kilo class...

I actaully talked to RAdm(retd) Söderlund about that mission about ten years ago aboard the Johanna van der Merwe. She was decommissioned but still in the water at the time. I think he wanted to raise money in order to put her in the ST navy museum. I recall he was also in the process of updating and revising that book you posted.

 

[Paulsie]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1553040194680623104

So which one is it?

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/10798/production/_125708476_russian_military_fatalities-2x-nc.png

 

[Dave]

Shame, looks like a senior Orc officer must have got some good news.

Medivac with gunship escort.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1553431466142564356

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Bucha was independently investigated. The Russians were the perps.

A view of newly-dug graves at the cemetery in Bucha, Ukraine on April 18, 2022. Russia has said it would oppose an independent investigation into an alleged massacre in the Kyiv suburb.

Russia Opposes UN Investigation Of Bucha War Crimes Allegations

Russian foreign ministry official Pyotr Ilyichev told RIA Novosti that previous probes for the International Criminal Court had been "biased."

www.newsweek.com

The chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court visited Bucha, Ukraine, on Wednesday, as the court continues its investigation into alleged war crimes committed in the war-torn country ...

Top ICC Prosecutor Visits Bucha As Court Investigates War Crimes In Ukraine

T The U.S. is weighing whether to assist the International Criminal Court—of which it isn’t a member—in a war crimes investigation.

www.forbes.com

in what universe is the UN "independent"?!?

surely you jest

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Anything about the Russians cancelling their Navy Day because of it being attacked?

you mean the navy day I watched the livestream of that was not cancelled?

 

[TEXTILE GUY]

I think everyone argues to some degree from ideology and lies can occur in any field.

There is bias in everything - sure, and there is a passion toward one or other party, sure ................ but when an OP starts the blame game, or looks for articles from the most obscure of sources to back up their passion, and will not acknowledge that their view MAY indeed be wrong ............. then its no longer a debate - its an obsession.

That's when I throw in the towel and ignore the OP, because they are wasting my time on their obsession.
They are welcome to continue on without me.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

pop quiz ... how do you know NATO is losing the proxy war against Russia in Ukraine?

easy, when they desperately try to open up a new front in a conflict they themselves created decades ago to punish one of Russia's closest allies now:

LIVE UPDATES: UN Monitors Situation in Kosovo ‘Very Closely’

Authorities in the breakaway territory announced this week that documents issued by the Serbian state would no longer be valid for crossing into Kosovo starting August 1, and that their holders would be issued special 'entry-exit...

sputniknews.com

 

[Cosmik Debris]

are you insane or what? fact check what? fact check did he say that?

Fact check what you post. Normal practice. And you ask if I'm insane?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

in what universe is the UN "independent"?!?

surely you jest

Doesn't Russia have a veto vote in the UN?