Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part3

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buchanan8 said:
Erik Zimerman is probably one of the best commentators on Twitter regarding what's actually going on in Ukraine
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I'd say you were wrong, a right wing Trumper in the US/Israel is hardly in a position to be even a mediocre commentator.

His website looks like the type you or Nico would have.
 
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Paulsie said:
You have misunderstood me Dave. I WAS referring to the mass graves and the information put across, purporting to genocide.
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Genocide certainly fits with things like this:
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RIA NOVOSTI has clarified Russia’s plans vis-à-vis Ukraine and the rest of the free world in a program like article: What Russia should do with Ukraine?

Back in April last year, we wrote about the inevitability of the denazification of Ukraine. We do not need Nazi (read Ukrainian), Bandera type of Ukraine (read Ukrainian), as the enemy of Russia and the West’s tool for the destruction of Russia. Today, the issue of denazification has moved into...
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Mirai said:
Are you suggesting Russians are not in Ukraine with weapons shooting at stuff?
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Once again, was the CNN and Newsweek report accurate or not? Nobody seems to want to answer that question.

Why don't you just say that Russian actions justify CNNs inflammatory reporting, as everyone seems to be indirectly suggesting, and we're done with it!?
 
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Dave said:
I'd say you were wrong, a right wing Trumper in the US/Israel is hardly in a position to be even a mediocre commentator.

His website looks like the type you or Nico would have.
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If you read his threads you will find them very informative. But I agree it would be difficult for somebody who has fully embraced woke culture to think so.
 
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Paulsie said:
Once again, was the CNN and Newsweek report accurate or not? Nobody seems to want to answer that question.
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It's a red herring.

Are you saying the ICC is also not accurate?

On 11 December 2020, the ICC Prosecutor found that "there was a reasonable basis to believe that war crimes and crimes against humanity were committed", that the "alleged crimes identified would [as of December 2020] be admissible", and that there was "a reasonable basis for investigation, subject to judicial authorisation".[4][5]

Lithuanian prime minister Ingrida Simonyte stated on 28 February that Lithuania had requested that the ICC investigation be opened.[7] On 2 March 2022, Khan stated that he had received referrals from 39 states, enabling Khan to open an investigation under Article 14 of the Rome Statute. Khan stated that the Prosecutor's Office had already "identified potential cases that would be admissible".[2][3] On 11 March, Japan and North Macedonia joined the referrals, bringing the total number of referring states to 41.[8] On 1 or 2 March 2022, the Situation in Ukraine was assigned to Pre-Trial Chamber II of the ICC, with judges Antoine Kesia-Mbe Mindua, Tomoko Akane and Rosario Salvatore Aitala, who are required to decide whether to authorise the investigation after they receive a request for authorisation from the Prosecutor, Khan.[9]

Are you asking for an unreasonable of standard here? Because it seems as though you want that.

Do you want us to add alleged to each instance of war crime committed by Russia?

Is that what you're upset about?

Speak to your relatives from the old country. Ask them about Russian forces.
 
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buchanan8 said:
If you read his threads you will find them very informative. But I agree it would be difficult for somebody who has fully embraced woke culture to think so.
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Das Kapital and Mein Kampf are also informative. Reading the transcribed ramblings of a schizophrenic patient is also informative.
 
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Mirai said:
Are you suggesting Russians are not in Ukraine with weapons shooting at stuff?
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Mirai said:
It's a red herring.

Are you saying the ICC is also not accurate?

On 11 December 2020, the ICC Prosecutor found that "there was a reasonable basis to believe that war crimes and crimes against humanity were committed", that the "alleged crimes identified would [as of December 2020] be admissible", and that there was "a reasonable basis for investigation, subject to judicial authorisation".[4][5]

Lithuanian prime minister Ingrida Simonyte stated on 28 February that Lithuania had requested that the ICC investigation be opened.[7] On 2 March 2022, Khan stated that he had received referrals from 39 states, enabling Khan to open an investigation under Article 14 of the Rome Statute. Khan stated that the Prosecutor's Office had already "identified potential cases that would be admissible".[2][3] On 11 March, Japan and North Macedonia joined the referrals, bringing the total number of referring states to 41.[8] On 1 or 2 March 2022, the Situation in Ukraine was assigned to Pre-Trial Chamber II of the ICC, with judges Antoine Kesia-Mbe Mindua, Tomoko Akane and Rosario Salvatore Aitala, who are required to decide whether to authorise the investigation after they receive a request for authorisation from the Prosecutor, Khan.[9]

Are you asking for an unreasonable of standard here? Because it seems as though you want that.

Do you want us to add alleged to each instance of war crime committed by Russia?

Is that what you're upset about?

Speak to your relatives from the old country. Ask them about Russian forces.
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What I'm suggesting is that it's not a red herring.

It's a pattern.

And you still haven't answered a simple question. Under what circumstances, do you feel, is disinformation of public justified?
 
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Paulsie said:
What I'm suggesting is that it's not a red herrink.

It's a pattern.
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Then you're seeing a pattern where none exists.

The ICC suspects there are war crimes. You're concerned about CNN? You're concerned about WMD In Iraq where completely different actors are involved here? Seriously?

It seems more like you're trying hard to find any gotcha to get the Russians off the hook.
 
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DreamKing said:
freedom of speech should not have any limitation.

that is the definition.

any form of limitation is NOT freedom of speech / expression.
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That's not the limitation. Freedom of speech is like saying freedom of movement or freedom of association. For example I may choose not to associate with you and you're certainly not free to travel across my property.

We have categories of freedoms, one of those is that of expression. It doesn't mean you are completely free to express yourself any way you want and anywhere. It's a rubric or category. Under this heading the actual rights would be defined.
 
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Paulsie said:
Did CNN and Newsweek accuse Russia of genocide based on incorrect facts? Yes or No?

And another one. Would Russian shelling of civilians justify CNN creating inflated and inaccurate report about genocide?
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Deflection. No matter how it was reported, did Russia shell civilians? Yes or no?
 
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Paulsie said:
And even if 5% of war crimes were fake, these should be verified and not reported on if inaccurate. We are not talking about bots on twitter. It's the mainstream media ffs.
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So war crimes are acceptable to you if below a certain percentage?
 
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