Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part3

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MiW said:
When /Russia said they will exterminate all Ukrainians, they meant it... even their allies..

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/08/7/7362210/

Russian forces launched a new wave of forced "mobilisation" on the Russian-occupied territories of Donbas on 1 August in order to staff mobilisation reserve units.

Source: Chief Intelligence Directorate of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence on Telegram

Details: Ukrainian Intelligence reports that Russian mobilisation efforts are now targeting those unfit for service and those who have previously received a "deferral".

For example, two buses of men were filled in just about 40 minutes at a market in Luhansk; most of the men were working as loaders at the market. In Alchevsk, men were simply taken from the streets. Local residents are outraged and local men are beginning to hide.

Total forced mobilisation is currently underway in many towns and villages in Donbas. The number of Russian patrol forces on the street of Khrustalne has increased; these patrol officers take men to military commissariat to be conscripted. The Russians are continuing to "raid" local businesses [in order to find men who can be mobilised - ed.].

Quote: "Meanwhile, there is a growing dissatisfaction among the men from the ORDLO (Temporarily Occupied Territories of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblast) who had been mobilised earlier. [They are dissatisfied] with the horrible treatment the [Donbas] locals receive from their commanders in the occupation army.
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This is the end result of a whole region believing Russian propaganda.
 
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ForceFate said:
That's besides the point.
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It is not beside the point. Western media is well known for pushing its own point of view in order to achieve an objective (aka anti-Russian sentiment). Even though justified, the problem is that this results in people not trusting their reporting, hence turning to the internet, Twitter and other social media to find answers. This in turn opens up channels for counter-misinformation.

If media truly reported objectively, without bias and favour (like they used to in the past), they would be trusted more overall.

Journalism should be about presenting information, not about forming opinion (that is where editorial comes in).
 
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HermeticAnarchist said:
Is western media not also propaganda?
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Some western media does echo state propaganda yes. Look at greyzone, mintpressnews etc. However, they are free to write whatever they want. If they falsify stories they can be sued.

In Russia, all media is propaganda. They are literally controlled by the state. There is no free press. Same as North Korea and China. The Russian state tells you what to write and if you disobey you get fined, shut down and jailed. Speaking the truth is a crime punishable by law.
 
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vaakseun said:
Western media can say whatever they want and be as biased or unbiased as they want.
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Precisely!!

So who is telling the truth then? One side? The other? Russia?

Do you see my point of attacking western media and their own "propaganda" machine? It is their conduct that sows the seed for Russian misinformation.

If they could be trusted with the reported facts, no one would question their reporting and look for alternative point of view.
 
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HermeticAnarchist said:
Is western media not also propaganda?
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Show Western media making statements about destroying most of Russia's military, show Western Media or even Ukrainian Gvt sponsored or otherwise promoting the removal of Ukrainian children to Russia for re education and making these kind of statements

tass.com

Russian troops destroy 1,146 Ukrainian military facilities — top brass

Operational-tactical aircraft of Russia’s Aerospace Force wiped out six armored columns of the Ukrainian armed forces
tass.com tass.com

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1555974596242841600
 
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Paulsie said:
Precisely!!

So who is telling the truth then? One side? The other? Russia?
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Hmm... I wonder who is telling the truth... the free press or the state controlled press... :unsure:

Paulsie said:
Do you see my point of attacking western media and their own "propaganda" machine? It is their conduct that sows the seed for Russian misinformation.

If they could be trusted with the reported facts, no one would question their reporting and look for alternative point of view.
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Which is why we constantly quote mediabiasfactcheck and expose western media outlets that are peddling propaganda and conspiracy theories.
 
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Pak Fa Fui said:
Dave, they are forced to stay against their will, it’s not Russian propaganda that the majority of Ukrainian men must leave their families and stay behind in Ukraine and die, that’s the law from Zelensky
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Answer the question, why have we not seen mass defections and surrendering if they are "forced" to stay. Don't merely make a claim. Back it up. In Kherson region under Russia there is a lot of patriot activity, as this is Russian held, who is "forcing" them to resist.
 
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Paulsie said:
Precisely!!

So who is telling the truth then? One side? The other? Russia?

Do you see my point of attacking western media and their own "propaganda" machine? It is their conduct that sows the seed for Russian misinformation.

If they could be trusted with the reported facts, no one would question their reporting and look for alternative point of view.
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Why don't you start a thread on western media problems, instead of spamming the one about Russo-Ukrainian war?

Most of the posters here , who are against the war , don't really form their opinions based on CNN , so you are really derailing the thread on no good reason.

If you were interested at all , you can check what forms our opinion, and you will find out that lot's of it comes from investigative journalism... but again that explanation will be derailing the thread .

So Please create another thread to bash western media and stop spamming this one.
 
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Another scathing analyses of Amnesty's report by Daniel Sohege, director of Stand For All, specialist in international refugee law, policy and communications.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1555827482472890368

Amnesty had to know that this report would be weaponised by Russia. That should have been factored in and all steps taken to ensure that the framing and content could not be used for disinformation. No matter what else, they failed to do that spectacularly.
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Great, can they wait 4-5 days more for me to leave EU, so I can skip this one

www.pravda.com.ua

Russian troops fire rockets at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, sensors damaged – Energoatom

ROMAN PETRENKO – SUNDAY, 7 AUGUST, 12:59
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On the evening of 6 August, the Russian army fired rockets at the city of Enerhodar, hitting the site of the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant directly next to the area used for storing spent nuclear fuel.

Source: Energoatom (the National Nuclear Energy Generating Company of Ukraine), Dmytro Orlov, mayor of Enerhodar

Details: One employee was wounded by shrapnel and is now in hospital. The explosions broke the plant’s windows over an area of 800 square metres.

Energoatom reports that about 500 Russians and Rosatom staff members hid in bunkers before the attack.

Quote: "They were clearly aiming specifically at the containers of spent nuclear fuel, which is stored in the open air near the sites that were hit. There are 174 containers, each of which contains 24 spent nuclear fuel assemblies!

Three radiation monitoring sensors near the plant’s dry cask storage site were damaged by the enemy rockets. It is therefore currently impossible rapidly to detect or respond to a deterioration in the radiation situation or radiation leakages from containers of spent nuclear fuel."
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