Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part3

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Too bad, so sad.

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Deputy Russian puppet governor of Nova Kakhovka dies of his wounds occupiers

KATERYNA TYSHCHENKO - SATURDAY, 6 AUGUST 2022, 18:47 Collaborator Vitalii Hura, the Russian-appointed so-called "deputy head of the civil and military administration" of occupied Nova Kakhovka in Kherson Oblast, has died in hospital after being shot.
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Collaborator Vitalii Hura, the Russian-appointed so-called "deputy head of the civil and military administration" of occupied Nova Kakhovka in Kherson Oblast, has died in hospital after being shot.

Source: officials of the occupying administration: Ekaterina Gubareva, the "deputy head of the Kherson Oblast Military-Civilian Administration", quoted by TASS; Vladimir Leontiev, the so-called "Head of the Kakhovka District Administration", in comments to RIA Novosti

Details: Representatives of the occupiers informed journalists of Hura's death.

The attack on the collaborator happened on Saturday near his home. According to RIA Novosti’s source within the "district administration", unknown assailants shot Hura several times, presumably from a Makarov pistol. Bullet casings from this type of gun were found at the scene.
 
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Paulsie said:
Precisely!!

So who is telling the truth then? One side? The other? Russia?
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You only need to know one thing. Russia attacked Ukraine. Not vice versa. Ukrainians are defending themselves out of necessity and not out of choice. This conflict is not as nuanced as Russia is trying to make you think it is. It is like 1 September 1939. Black and white. Russia bad because invaded a country which did not attack them. Ukraine good because defending themselves.

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Do you see my point of attacking western media and their own "propaganda" machine? It is their conduct that sows the seed for Russian misinformation.

If they could be trusted with the reported facts, no one would question their reporting and look for alternative point of view.
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There is no alternative point of view. Bombs are flying in Ukraine and not Russia. Armed Russians went into Ukraine and not vice versa.
 
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Amnesty International would maybe want the Ukrainian army to stand in the field and get mowed down or surrender and get exterminated as we've seen with the recent fire at a stalag or maybe rather gulag the Russians were running.

Then Russian forces can occupy and commit human rights abuses and AI can get money for reporting on these things. Maybe even an AI activist could become martyred and then AI can bask in the glory and collect more endowments and sponsorships and tax free donations.
 
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Pak Fa Fui said:
Dave, they are forced to stay against their will, it’s not Russian propaganda that the majority of Ukrainian men must leave their families and stay behind in Ukraine and die, that’s the law from Zelensky
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Obviously Zelensky has control over them while they're abroad. /s

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

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www.dw.com

Ukrainian workers leaving Poland to fight – DW – 04/05/2022

For years, Poland's economy has relied on Ukrainian workers. Above all, male laborers have helped support the construction and transport industries. But many are now returning to Ukraine to fight, leaving Poland unsure as to what's next.
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Dated 25 July:

www.euractiv.com

Poland, Czech Republic struggle to replace the Ukrainian workers

Construction sites, factory assembly lines and warehouses across central Europe are scrambling to fill vacancies after tens of thousands of Ukrainian men left their blue-collar jobs to return home after Russia invaded their country.
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sefeddt said:
Answer the question, why have we not seen mass defections and surrendering if they are "forced" to stay. Don't merely make a claim. Back it up. In Kherson region under Russia there is a lot of patriot activity, as this is Russian held, who is "forcing" them to resist.
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Oh but there are 100s that are running to the borders and hiding behind the Russian military at their own admission
Surrendering to the Russian military is the option they are choosing rather than to fight
 
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Mirai said:
Amnesty International would maybe want the Ukrainian army to stand in the field and get mowed down or surrender and get exterminated as we've seen with the recent fire at a stalag or maybe rather gulag the Russians were running.

Then Russian forces can occupy and commit human rights abuses and AI can get money for reporting on these things. Maybe even an AI activist could become martyred and then AI can bask in the glory and collect more endowments and sponsorships and tax free donations.
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amnesty international is also russia's agent, right?

any organization, any person has a little tiny piece of question against zelensky's narratives that you guys will target them and labeling them as russia's propaganda, correct?

truly democratic and promoting freedom of expression indeed....... :rolleyes:
 
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Mirai said:
Obviously Zelensky has control over them while they're abroad. /s

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

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www.dw.com

Ukrainian workers leaving Poland to fight – DW – 04/05/2022

For years, Poland's economy has relied on Ukrainian workers. Above all, male laborers have helped support the construction and transport industries. But many are now returning to Ukraine to fight, leaving Poland unsure as to what's next.
www.dw.com www.dw.com

Dated 25 July:

www.euractiv.com

Poland, Czech Republic struggle to replace the Ukrainian workers

Construction sites, factory assembly lines and warehouses across central Europe are scrambling to fill vacancies after tens of thousands of Ukrainian men left their blue-collar jobs to return home after Russia invaded their country.
www.euractiv.com www.euractiv.com
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Looters see opportunity to loot
 
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Cray said:
Being conscripted to defend your own country is very different to being conscripted to fight in a war of aggression.
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Actually it's not officially a war in Russia so no marshal law and no jail or firing squad for refusing to fight.

It's not even like Hitler did things where soldiers in the Wehrmacht had to fight or face consequences.
 
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DreamKing said:
amnesty international is also russia's agent, right?

any organization, any person has a little tiny piece of question against zelensky's narratives that you guys will target them and labeling them as russia's propaganda, correct?

truly democratic and promoting freedom of expression indeed....... :rolleyes:
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Did you read what I wrote? And then tell me where I said they were Russia's agent. Go on. Show me.

And yes, no holy cows or taboo subjects in the West.
 
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Mirai said:
Amnesty International would maybe want the Ukrainian army to stand in the field and get mowed down or surrender and get exterminated as we've seen with the recent fire at a stalag or maybe rather gulag the Russians were running.
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Mirai said:
Did you read what I wrote? And then tell me where I said they were Russia's agent. Go on. Show me.

And yes, no holy cows or taboo subjects in the West.
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umm...... no........ :p
 
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DreamKing said:
umm...... no........
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And then.... did you read the whole thing?

Is English your first language?

Let me translate that for you:

AI get money for reporting on human rights abuses. The more human rights abuses the more money for them.

Nothing about being in the pay of Russia.

Ukraine under Russian occupation with show trials, executions, imprisonments, torture, etc would require much funds to catalog and report on all these violations.
 
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Russians shouldn't accept the AI report with glee, because then siege of Leningrad, attack on Stalingrad in WW2 are also sus. They're all Russia's fault too for not removing their armed people from these towns and standing in the field as they did in Napoleonic Wars.
 
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