Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part3

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Paulsie said:
Not at all. So much crap posted from Twitter feeds, that are put forward and accepted as given.
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How is someone's opinion accepted as given? you can share peoples opinions or disagree, up to you. There is so much info coming from the front and the aggressors that checking twitter is the fastest way to hear about stuff happening, it's the readers choice to follow on it or ignore it.

On the other side Russian propaganda is like STD....
 
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Paulsie said:
No, this (from 2015).

Theft and corruption are commom everywhere, but none of the former Eastern Bloc countries did it to a crippling effect. Also, over the years, they were able to stop this - prior to joining the EU 6 year later.
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Ukraine is becoming less corrupt over time. How much do you wanna bet it's got to do with dwindling Russian influence?

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The Corruption Perceptions Index ranks countries and territories based on how corrupt their public sector is perceived to be. A country or territory’s score indicates the perceived level of public sector corruption on a scale of 0 (highly corrupt) to 100 (very clean).
 
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Solarion said:
You would need proof of intention. Civilians caught in the cross fire <> human shields.

Knowingly taking cover in an area occupied by civilians with the intent of maximizing civilian casualties or with the intent of providing civilian obstructions, calculating that the enemy will not actively engage you = human shields.

A human shield for protection is only effective if you are dealing with an enemy that will not fire at you or your location in order to minimize civilian casualties. A human shield for maximizing civilian casualties is what you would do if you are certain your enemy will fire on your location regardless.

One would need to prove intent though to determine which of the three is the case.
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I am sorry to tell you, if any military personal / setup anything next to any civilian infrastructural, the intention is to set a hit-back target. that is already enough for me to define that is a human shield. the purpose is so clear from ukraine. if russia knew there were civilians and avoided to target then ukraine would use the place to kill russians. if not, ukraine would accuse russia violated human rights / international laws for targeting civilians. head you win, tail I lose, right?

ukraine is still not evil enough? you still want to help them?
 
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DreamKing said:
I am sorry to tell you, if any military personal / setup anything next to any civilian infrastructural, the intention is to set a hit-back target. that is already enough for me to define that is a human shield. the purpose is so clear from ukraine. if russia knew there were civilians and avoided to target then ukraine would use the place to kill russians. if not, ukraine would accuse russia violated human rights / international laws for targeting civilians. head you win, tail I lose, right?

ukraine is still not evil enough? you still want to help them?
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So cute when you try to be clever...

Go get your weekly rubles buddy, must be worthwhile little paycheck for coming across as putin ass creeping as you do in these posts.
 
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buka001 said:
If you actually bothered, you would see that Amnesty International explicitly clarified that Ukraine has not used any civilians as human shields.
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by that definition NEITHER has Russia, duh

seeing as the accusation lobbed at Russia is exactly the situation described by Amnesty of Ukraine

that aside, Asovstal was 100% fitting the textbook definition of human shield use by Ukraine, you can deny it, that only means you are in denial
 
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