Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part3

[Mirai]

Rich coming from the country that imposed a famine on Syria and who gave money to the Saudi government that starved the children to Yemen to death.

You drive a car? You use a bus? You eat, wear clothes, etc? You pay for Saudi oil.

US did not impose a famine on Syria.

 

[Nicodeamus]

You drive a car? You use a bus? You eat, wear clothes, etc? You pay for Saudi oil.

US did not impose a famine on Syria.

The US imposed a blockade on Syria that triggered a mass famine It occupied Syria's strategic grain sources and used it as a "weapon of war", as Russia is currently being accused. (Syria was self sufficient before the war started and before America started training Al Queda to overthrow the government and mass rape the civilian population),

The US has expanded the smuggling of Syrian wheat from illegally occupied regions amid an unfolding food crisis, Russia’s Permanent Representative to the UN Vasily Nebenzia revealed on 25 May. Washington now plans to ship over 20 million tonnes of grain out of Ukraine also.

“The US began the great organised robbery in Syria five years ago,” says Dr Taleb Ibrahim, a Syrian political analyst and deputy director of the Damascus Centre for Strategic Studies.

“The regions where they are stealing oil and grains are the most productive parts of Syria,” he continued. “As an example, the eastern parts of Syria where the US established the illegal military bases provide Syrian people with 90% of oil products and 80% of grain. At the same time the US has imposed heavy sanctions on Syria to prevent the Syrian government from importing the most important necessities for the Syrian people, which is a war crime, like what had happened in Iraq, Libya, Cuba, North Korea, and other countries.”

Biden’s Famine: US Robbery Depriving Syrians and Ukrainians of Wheat, Syrian Scholars Say

The US has expanded the smuggling of Syrian wheat from illegally occupied regions amid an unfolding food crisis, Russia’s Permanent Representative to the UN Vasily Nebenzia revealed on 25 May…

orinocotribune.com

But hey since we are on the story of using sanctions to kill civilians, let's not forget that 500 000 children Iraq children that died due to the blockade. Madeleine Albright said that it was "worth it". According to her, America was the "indispensable nation".

 

[HideInLight]

@Nicodeamus Are you a paid Russian propagandists?
You links you post is of Russian propagandists following other Russian propagandists. I'm starting to get suspicious. Your following the script basically.

 

[Nicodeamus]

@Nicodeamus Are you a paid Russian propagandists?
You links you post is of Russian propagandists following other Russian propagandists. I'm starting to get suspicious. Your following the script basically.

no I am pretty opposed upset to what is currently occurring in Russia and the regime's authoritarian nature, but I am not blind to the origin of this conflict and what is equally disturbing in Ukraine post 2014. What @Mirai is doing here is to try and find excuses for the USAs war crimes or that he is blind to these crimes being committed in the name of "freedom", because "the west is always just" and all that crap that goes with it.

I also studied with Syrian refugees in France when he war broke out and yes the USA did engineer a famine to try and get rid of Asaad, they also did arm Al Qaida Proxy who gave themselves the right to kill husbands and mass rape women. Consequently Syria had to change it's citizenship law (that is normally under Islamic Rule passed from fathers to children), because there were too many women who had children from the mass raped.

 

[Dave]

@Nicodeamus Are you a paid Russian propagandists?
You links you post is of Russian propagandists following other Russian propagandists. I'm starting to get suspicious. Your following the script basically.

In WW2 there was Tokyo Rose, in the Ukraine war there is Moscow Nico...

 

[Mirai]

The US imposed a blockade on Syria that triggered a mass famine It occupied Syria's strategic grain sources and used it as a "weapon of war", as Russia is currently being accused. (Syria was self sufficient before the war started and before America started training Al Queda to overthrow the government and mass rape the civilian population),

Biden’s Famine: US Robbery Depriving Syrians and Ukrainians of Wheat, Syrian Scholars Say

The US has expanded the smuggling of Syrian wheat from illegally occupied regions amid an unfolding food crisis, Russia’s Permanent Representative to the UN Vasily Nebenzia revealed on 25 May…

orinocotribune.com

Only source of this I can find is a regime guy linked to Sputnik. Can you provide reputable links for this?

It sounds like typical Russian lies.

But hey since we are on the story of using sanctions to kill civilians, let's not forget that 500 000 children Iraq children that died due to the blockade. Madeleine Albright said that it was "worth it". According to her, America was the "indispensable nation".

Fake news.

الصفحة الرئيسية | مسبار

misbar.com

 

[Nicodeamus]

Only source of this I can find is a regime guy linked to Sputnik. Can you provide reputable links for this?

It sounds like typical Russian lies.



Fake news.

الصفحة الرئيسية | مسبار

misbar.com

Republican Senator Richard Black investigated Syria

it's worth a watch.

 

[Mirai]

Republican Senator Richard Black investigated Syria

it's worth a watch.

It's an ex-state senator who made some claims without proof. Is this another appeal to authority and we should believe this guy because he just says something without evidence?

 

[Mirai]

@Nicodeamus Are you a paid Russian propagandists?
You links you post is of Russian propagandists following other Russian propagandists. I'm starting to get suspicious. Your following the script basically.

Nico as you can see parrots all the RT and Sputnik points and will attempt his best to derail this thread with red herrings which are usually based on Russian propaganda.

 

[Nicodeamus]

It's an ex-state senator who made some claims without proof. Is this another appeal to authority and we should believe this guy because he just says something without evidence?

I think he retired last year, he investigated the story and the mass rape in particular.

Insight Vox: Col. Richard Black on Ukraine

Yesterday, Mike Robinson spoke with Col. Richard Black about the conflict in Ukraine, parallels with the war in Syria, and his views on NATO expansionism.

www.ukcolumn.org

Then there is the UN who warmed about the food crisis resulting from Sanctions.

Act are decimating war-ravaged Syrian civilians, are illegal, and should be lifted, the UN Special Rapporteur on sanctions says.

An independent United Nations expert is calling on the US to lift its crippling sanctions on Syria.

Under the Caesar Act, US sanctions explicitly target Syria’s reconstruction in the aftermath of a catastrophic 10-year war. Alena Douhan, the UN Special Rapporteur on the impact of sanctions, says that the US sanctions are illegal and depriving Syrian civilians of their basic needs.

“People shouldn’t die, people shouldn’t suffer, and people shouldn’t fear whether they can survive after tomorrow, because they have neither medicine or food, because of the sanctions applied,” Douhan says.

UN expert: crippling US sanctions on Syria are illegal and hurting civilians - The Grayzone

Crippling US sanctions imposed under the Caesar Act are decimating war-ravaged Syrian civilians, are illegal, and should be lifted, the UN Special Rapporteur on sanctions says. An independent United Nations expert is calling on the US to lift its crippling sanctions on Syria. Under the Caesar...

thegrayzone.com

 

[Nicodeamus]

Nico as you can see parrots all the RT and Sputnik points and will attempt his best to derail this thread with red herrings which are usually based on Russian propaganda.

no, you are making excuses for war crimes when your team USA commits them and when I cite the evidence you try and attack the message, it's classical propaganda and war crimes denial.

 

[Dave]

It's an ex-state senator who made some claims without proof. Is this another appeal to authority and we should believe this guy because he just says something without evidence?

You know he likes to obfuscate and try and pretend a nobody is somebody important if it advances his conspiracy theory or propaganda.

 

[Mirai]

I think he retired last year, he investigated the story and the mass rape in particular.

Insight Vox: Col. Richard Black on Ukraine

Yesterday, Mike Robinson spoke with Col. Richard Black about the conflict in Ukraine, parallels with the war in Syria, and his views on NATO expansionism.

www.ukcolumn.org

Then there is the UN who warmed about the food crisis resulting from Sanctions.

UN expert: crippling US sanctions on Syria are illegal and hurting civilians - The Grayzone

Crippling US sanctions imposed under the Caesar Act are decimating war-ravaged Syrian civilians, are illegal, and should be lifted, the UN Special Rapporteur on sanctions says. An independent United Nations expert is calling on the US to lift its crippling sanctions on Syria. Under the Caesar...

thegrayzone.com

It seems that the UN has investigated Syria and did not find any of the nonsense you claim. It's all due to poor management by the regime.

Syria’s Wheat Crisis Foreshadows Famine - COAR

Syria Update Digest On 17 December 2021, the UN Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) published its special report on its crop assessment mission in which it estimated Syria’s wheat production in 2021 as 1.05 million tonnes, a shortfall of just under 2 million tonnes based on projected needs...

coar-global.org

• In early January, Russian aircraft targeted multiple civilian sites in Idleb, including poultry farms, a foodstuffs factory, and a major water station. Such attacks are all-too familiar, and they show Moscow’s dissatisfaction with the status quo, even if Russia remains hesitant to completely upend it.
• On 4 January, China donated one million doses of COVID-19 vaccine to Syria. Western donor governments are concerned over China’s outreach to Syria, including vaccine diplomacy. If they are to counter Beijing’s influence, they must provide more jabs of their own instead.
• The Central Bank of Syria has officially halved the ‘official’ exchange rate of the Syrian pound, dropping it to 2,512 SYP/USD. The devaluation is a notable concession to reality, but it is unlikely to have a major direct impact on humanitarian operations, which use a different rate that is set separately.
• In a 3 January interview with state media, Syrian Prime Minister Hussein Arnous deflected blame for Syria’s woes and offered no concrete plans to improve conditions in the country. The interview began as an attempt at transparency, and ended as a fiasco, generating rare public criticism from Syrians who fear the state has no clear direction.

It seems that it's the Russians who are to blame and as per the usual Kremlin style, it's best to just blame everyone else.

 

[Nicodeamus]

Here is the UN report on Syria's food shortage. from the article that you cited.

International sanctions imposed on the Syrian Arab Republic by a number of countries and regulatory entities include trade restrictions, travel bans, asset freezes of certain officials, as well as a ban on investments (EU/EUR-Lex, 2017). Trade restrictions in particular target dual-use items, e.g., fertilizers or chemical components used in the production of fertilizers, key equipment and technology for the oil and gas industry as well as certain telecom equipment and luxury goods. While trade is sanctioned in only a limited number of goods, a ban on imports of crude oil and petroleum products from the Syrian Arab Republic has curtailed export earnings, resulting in shortages on the domestic market and well declined imports of crucial agricultural inputs which in turn constrained agricultural output

https://www.fao.org/3/cb8039en/cb8039en.pdf

Socio-economic background: Although much of the country is now stable and only pockets of active fighting remain contained, the economic conditions are not considered favourable. Already weakened by 10 years of conflict, the economy suffered further setbacks from the COVID-19 pandemic and spill-over effects from the economic crisis in Lebanon, long a lifeline of the Syrian economy. High inflation rates, weakening currency and shortages of basic products, including fuel, prevail. International sanctions have generally affected livelihoods of millions of Syrians, directly or indirectly. According to the World Food Programme (WFP), more than 12.4 million people (60 percent of the population) were food insecure in 2020, 5.4 million more than in 2019.i The food security situation has continued to worsen in 2021.

HOW THE US OCCUPIED THE 30% OF SYRIA CONTAINING MOST OF ITS OIL, WATER AND GAS

In addition to its abundant water resources, northeastern Syria is also home to nearly 60 percent of Syria’s cropland, a key resource in terms of Syria’s sustainability and food independence. Prior to the conflict, Syria invested heavily in bringing irrigation infrastructure into the area in order to allow agriculture there to continue despite a massive regional drought. Much of that irrigation infrastructure is fed by the occupied Tabqa Dam, which controls the irrigation water for 640,000 hectares (2,500 square miles) of farmland.

How the US Occupied the 30% of Syria Containing Most of its Oil, Water and Gas

The U.S.’ main goal in occupying the oil and water rich northeastern Syria is aimed not at Syria but at Iran.

www.mintpressnews.com

 

[Mirai]

no, you are making excuses for war crimes when your team USA commits them and when I cite the evidence you try and attack the message, it's classical propaganda and war crimes denial.

Asking for actual proof. If you claim American military is shipping grain from Syria via Iraq, you should provide proof especially as the United Nations has not confirmed any of this Sputnik nonsense.

 

[Mirai]

Here is the UN report on Syria's food shortage. from the article that you cited.

https://www.fao.org/3/cb8039en/cb8039en.pdf

This report does not say what you said earlier though. It just says sanctions are making things harder. Food imports are not banned and food aid can be provided to Syrians, if necessary. You know, Assad could stop buying weapons and paying off his mercs and there probably would be enough money for other things.

So you did not tell the truth?

 

[Dave]

I think he retired last year, he investigated the story and the mass rape in particular.

Insight Vox: Col. Richard Black on Ukraine

Yesterday, Mike Robinson spoke with Col. Richard Black about the conflict in Ukraine, parallels with the war in Syria, and his views on NATO expansionism.

www.ukcolumn.org

Then there is the UN who warmed about the food crisis resulting from Sanctions.

UN expert: crippling US sanctions on Syria are illegal and hurting civilians - The Grayzone

Crippling US sanctions imposed under the Caesar Act are decimating war-ravaged Syrian civilians, are illegal, and should be lifted, the UN Special Rapporteur on sanctions says. An independent United Nations expert is calling on the US to lift its crippling sanctions on Syria. Under the Caesar...

thegrayzone.com

Why do you bring Richard Black up again?

The man has been an RT presenter, and travelled through Syria as a guest of the government, he's also been a commentator on Hezbollah TV.

And you want to pretend he's unbiased and worthy of using as a source? That's something only an idiot should do...

 

[Nicodeamus]

Why do you bring Richard Black up again?

The man has been an RT presenter, and travelled through Syria as a guest of the government, he's also been a commentator on Hezbollah TV.

And you want to pretend he's unbiased and worthy of using as a source? That's something only an idiot should do...

He isn't an RT Presenter, he was a USA republican senator. He appeared on RT a few times, but so did Richard Dawkins...
His statements about the warcrimes are valid though.

 

[Mirai]

So all in all Nico brings up the debunked 500,000 figure Saddam Hussein made up and also spreads lies about the US. The UN report does not mention any of the crazy stuff he brought up. Nico ignores the destruction of Syrian food production facilities by the Russian military.

 

[Mirai]

He isn't an RT Presenter, he was a USA republican senator. He appeared on RT a few times, but so did Richard Dawkins...
His statements about the warcrimes are valid though.

He was a STATE senator and not a federal senator.

We must take that he is valid because you say so and it fits your dogma.