Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part3

[Nicodeamus]

This report does not say what you said earlier though. It just says sanctions are making things harder. Food imports are not banned and food aid can be provided to Syrians, if necessary.

Sanctions are causing famine, it is the case in Yemen, it was the case in Iraq and it is the case in Syria. But in Syria the USA goes further by occupying the country's oil and the grain resources.

You know, Assad could stop buying weapons and paying off his mercs and there probably would be enough money for other things.

erm did you miss the point that the USA funded ISIS and tried to rebrand them as the "opposition"?

So you did not tell the truth?

read the article on the US troops being stationed at the heartland of the syrian troops. But the link between sanctions and food insecurity. It's kind of obvious that a naval blockade would strangle food prices directly or indirectly.

U.S. Sanctions on Syria: What Comes Next?

Sanctions on Syria aim to protect Syrian civilians from the regime but may end up hurting them instead. Washington should further clarify humanitarian exemptions, specify benchmarks related to civilian protection and offer temporary easing of sanctions as long as these are met.

www.crisisgroup.org

Since early June, the Syrian economy has taken a further dive into an already deep hole. “Famine could very well be knocking on that door”, warned the World Food Program on 12 June. The new U.S. sanctions under the Caesar Civilian Protection Act that kicked in on 17 June will probably push the economy deeper still into the pit, magnifying the misery of ordinary Syrians. At the same time, given the Syrian regime’s track record, it appears unlikely that these sanctions in and of themselves will achieve their stated objective of protecting civilians by “compelling the government of Bashar al-Assad to halt its murderous attacks on the Syrian people and to support a transition to a government in Syria that respects the rule of law”.

 

[Mirai]

Russia is fighting Israel and Syrian democrats to the last Syrian regime conscript.

 

[Nicodeamus]

So all in all Nico brings up the debunked 500,000 figure Saddam Hussein made up and also spreads lies about the US. The UN report does not mention any of the crazy stuff he brought up. Nico ignores the destruction of Syrian food production facilities by the Russian military.

erm Trump ordered his troops to burn the food, the non interventionist MAGA commander and chief...

Trump ordered US Forces to Burn Hectares of Wheat Field in Syria amid CoVID-19 Pandemic:Russia Media

The US forces used Apache helicopters to allegedly drop thermal balloons in Hasaka province on May 17.

www.ibtimes.sg

Days after Syria alleged that the American occupation forces in the country burned large areas of wheat crop fields, a report now has emerged that the destroying of the food crop was carried out by the US forces on the orders sanctioned by President Donald Trump.

The report titled Confirmed Trump Ordered Syria's Wheat Crop Burning During Pandemic claimed that the US forces were carrying out the orders that were sanctioned by The White House. President Donald Trump had signed the orders for the burning of agriculture lands in Syria.

 

[vaakseun]

Belarus holding military drills

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1539518955265703938

The Ace of Spades.

 

[Nicodeamus]

Russia is fighting Israel and Syrian democrats to the last Syrian regime conscript.

Russia isn't in a direct conflict with Israel and there was actually a point where Russia coordinated their air strikes with the USA.

The USA at least decided to fight to the last Ben Ladenite in Syria...

Not to mention Turkey (the NATO member)'s use of white phosphorous.

Investigation into alleged use of white phosphorus in Syria

Kurdish Red Crescent says six people, some civilians, in hospital with mysterious burns

www.theguardian.com

The whole Syrian story was one big f-up to begin with, which is why I would like for the Ukraine war to end ASAP before it escalates into a regional conflict.

 

[vaakseun]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1540451824490188801

 

[Mirai]

Russia isn't in a direct conflict with Israel and there was actually a point where Russia coordinated their air strikes with the USA.

Russia is supporting Assad, one of the sides in the war.

Snipped the rest.

I had a look through the FAO report and I don't see any mention of any famine or any blame put on American forces. I also don't much mentioned about the sanctions you have highlighted.

Maybe you should read the entire report to see what the causes of the food insecurity or rather agricultural problems are. Certainly it does not resemble the nonsense you posted here earlier. You should be ashamed of yourself for spreading Russian lies this way.

 

[Nicodeamus]

He was a STATE senator and not a federal senator.

We must take that he is valid because you say so and it fits your dogma.

no it is valid because the famine was widely reported in the media. He also actually investigated the issue properly and was disturbed by his findings. This is a republican MEGA character speaking out against his own government.

 

[Mirai]

The whole Syrian story was one big f-up to begin with, which is why I would like for the Ukraine war to end ASAP before it escalates into a regional conflict.

Maybe Russia should not have invaded then. I hope you won't be drafted in to fight for France.

 

[Nicodeamus]

Russia is supporting Assad, one of the sides in the war.

Yeah, but that doesn't mean he opposes Israel. In fact Russia under Putin had a relatively good relationship with Israel. Almost 1/3 of Israel speaks Russian. Russia intervened in Syria to try and brag about their greatness and appease the Orthodox Church. They also almost ended in a mess.

Snipped the rest.

I had a look through the FAO report and I don't see any mention of any famine or any blame put on American forces. I also don't much mentioned about the sanctions you have highlighted.

Maybe you should read the entire report to see what the causes of the food insecurity or rather agricultural problems are. Certainly it does not resemble the nonsense you posted here earlier. You should be ashamed of yourself for spreading Russian lies this way.

The agricultural land in Syria is located in a tiny area that is close to the area where the US placed its troops. Now in fairness to America, Turkey also had a role in the destabilization and at once stage they were fighting the Kurd. The Kurds have their own issues are in Turkey they are largely a marxist organisation yet funded by the USA in Syria and killed by USA/NATO weapons in Turkey.

 

[Mirai]

Yeah, but that doesn't mean he opposes Israel. In fact Russia under Putin had a relatively good relationship with Israel. Almost 1/3 of Israel speaks Russian. Russia intervened in Syria to try and brag about their greatness and appease the Orthodox Church. They also almost ended in a mess.

Well who is Assad fighting then? Russia is supporting him. If Assad is allowed to fall and a UN supported transitional government is allowed to take over, then things will improve. Russia is backing Assad and so perpetuating the crisis. Assad's pride is part of the problem.

The agricultural land in Syria is located in a tiny area that is close to the area where the US placed its troops. Now in fairness to America, Turkey also had a role in the destabilization and at once stage they were fighting the Kurd. The Kurds have their own issues are in Turkey they are largely a marxist organisation yet funded by the USA in Syria and killed by USA/NATO weapons in Turkey.

I read the FAO report and this isn't an issue.

Also there isn't an actual famine in Syria. There are shortages but not on the level of an actual famine. There is a high risk of a famine and the war Russia started in Ukraine is making this more likely.

 

[Mirai]

Russia isn't in a direct conflict with Israel and there was actually a point where Russia coordinated their air strikes with the USA.

If America is fighting till the last rebel in Syria and last Ukrainian government soldier and child, then Russia is fighting till the last Syrian soldier. The same criteria need to be applied. Russia is supporting Assad and without their aid maybe he'd leave and allow for a government of national unity with UN support or perhaps the country could be divided up. Peoples' unnecessary pride seems to be in the way here.

 

[Nicodeamus]

Well who is Assad fighting then? Russia is supporting him. If Assad is allowed to fall and a UN supported transitional government is allowed to take over, then things will improve.

The US has tried to get a regime change in Syria since the 70s. Russia propped him up as a dictator and then there was Iran. But even the Iranians didn't give him full support and were reluctant to get involved militarily as it would put them in a proxy war with Israel.

Russia is backing Assad and so perpetuating the crisis. Assad's pride is part of the problem.

The "alternative" to Assad is Al Qaida, those guys who mass rapped the women in the country. The US tried to rebrand them as democratic freedom fighters as they did with Sisi in Egypt.

I read the FAO report and this isn't an issue.

Also there isn't an actual famine in Syria. There are shortages but not on the level of an actual famine. There is a high risk of a famine and the war Russia started in Ukraine is making this more likely.

It might be better now that there is stability again, but when the Arab Spring and War started there were serious cases of famine breaking out.

 

[Nicodeamus]

If America is fighting till the last rebel in Syria and last Ukrainian government soldier and child, then Russia is fighting till the last Syrian soldier. The same criteria need to be applied. Russia is supporting Assad and without their aid maybe he'd leave and allow for a government of national unity with UN support or perhaps the country could be divided up. Peoples' unnecessary pride seems to be in the way here.

Honestly, the "last Syrian" is better than the alternative, which is Al Qaida. In Ukraine you can make the vague argument that Zelensky is a democratic, in Syria there is none. You have Asaad that is a minority dictator vs Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi or whoever followed him. The other A-hole country in Syria is Turkey that won't allow the Kurds to get independence as it will trigger movements inside the rest of Anatolia.

Syria is already divided in de facto regions, it was an artificial construct and quickly disintegrated.

So here is my point about Ukraine, before it gets to the point of being another Syria where everyone doesn't know who is fighting who anymore, end the idiotic war. Especially with Nuclear Weapons on the horizon.
Russia isn't pulling out unfortunately, cut your loses and negotiate with them. Ukraine (what is left of it) can prosper under the EU.

 

[ForceFate]

the difference is that you won't find a statue in France celebrating a comparable figure to Stephan Bandera.

They're ashamed of their contribution to WWII. Pertain et al were collaborators. No?

 

[Mirai]

erm Trump ordered his troops to burn the food, the non interventionist MAGA commander and chief...

Trump ordered US Forces to Burn Hectares of Wheat Field in Syria amid CoVID-19 Pandemic:Russia Media

The US forces used Apache helicopters to allegedly drop thermal balloons in Hasaka province on May 17.

www.ibtimes.sg

200 acres = 80 hectares.
According to the FAO report, The harvested
wheat area is estimated at 787 000 hectares,
slightly over half of the area harvested in
2019.

So it's alleged that Americans burned 0.01% of the territory used currently for wheat production.

I tried to find the report the Singaporean news site cited but the link is dead, the other leads to a Syrian government website.

 

[Nicodeamus]

They're ashamed of their contribution to WWII. Pertain et al were collaborators. No?

some are actually not ashamed others are in utter denial, but that is another story..

 

[Nicodeamus]

200 acres = 80 hectares.
According to the FAO report, The harvested
wheat area is estimated at 787 000 hectares,
slightly over half of the area harvested in
2019.

So it's alleged that Americans burned 0.01% of the territory used currently for wheat production.

I tried to find the report the Singaporean news site cited but the link is dead, the other leads to a Syrian government website.

On Turkey using food as a weapon against the Kurds. (where most of the wheat crops is based and most water goes to)

The Syrian Army also did the same here [before you accuse me of bias again]

Zwijnenburg says that in northwest Syria, crops have been caught in the crossfire between fighting factions who use shells and incendiary bombs. And in Kurdish-held northeast Syria, some blame the Syrian regime or Turkey, who are in disputes with Kurdish rule there.

How Crop Fires Have Become The Latest Weapon Of War In Syria

Syrians already suffering from war are seeing their source of food go up in flames amid widespread crop fires that appear to be intentionally set.

www.npr.org

As usual, no one records the number of deaths.

There are no reliable statistics of the number of deaths due to starvation and related diseases, despite strong evidence that starvation tactics are implicated in the overall number of civilian mortalities since 2012. The UN reports hundreds of thousands of deaths, without specifying causes, since the war in Syria began. Human Rights Watch estimates the death toll to be as high as 511,000.

Syrians are watching crops burn. These starvation crimes must end | Mohammad Kanfash and Ali al-Jasem

We must hold the Syrian government and others to account for the brutal use of hunger as a weapon

www.theguardian.com

 

[Mirai]

Honestly, the "last Syrian" is better than the alternative, which is Al Qaida.

That's not necessarily true.

In Ukraine you can make the vague argument that Zelensky is a democratic, in Syria there is none. You have Asaad that is a minority dictator vs Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi or whoever followed him. The other A-hole country in Syria is Turkey that won't allow the Kurds to get independence as it will trigger movements inside the rest of Anatolia.

Middle East has a different approach to democracy. But it's not a given that democracy can't occur there.

The country could always be partitioned though.

Syria is already divided in de facto regions, it was an artificial construct and quickly disintegrated.

Then make it official. Russia is supporting a dinosaur.

So here is my point about Ukraine, before it gets to the point of being another Syria where everyone doesn't know who is fighting who anymore, end the idiotic war. Especially with Nuclear Weapons on the horizon.
Russia isn't pulling out unfortunately, cut your loses and negotiate with them. Ukraine (what is left of it) can prosper under the EU.

Ukraine is petty homogenous. You could argue there are some people who are more Russia leaning but otherwise it would not become this factional.

Russia is stirring the pot and causing kuk. If Russia was honest here, Russia would allow UN peackeepers and would not be supporting rebels or arming them with tanks.

Now Russia is putting millions at greater risk of famine through blocking Ukraine.

And Ukrainians would be starving themselves it's only because their neighbours took 6 million of them and they're getting constant humanitarian support that the situation is not like in Syria where not all Syria's neighbours are as fraternal or supportive.

 

[Mirai]

On Turkey using food as a weapon against the Kurds. (where most of the wheat crops is based and most water goes to)

The Syrian Army also did the same here [before you accuse me of bias again]

How Crop Fires Have Become The Latest Weapon Of War In Syria

Syrians already suffering from war are seeing their source of food go up in flames amid widespread crop fires that appear to be intentionally set.

www.npr.org

As usual, no one records the number of deaths.

Syrians are watching crops burn. These starvation crimes must end | Mohammad Kanfash and Ali al-Jasem

We must hold the Syrian government and others to account for the brutal use of hunger as a weapon

www.theguardian.com

I'm really not infested in discussing Syria. You brought it up and you brought in dodgy websites and Russian propaganda and conspiracy stories which are not reflected by the UN.