Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part3

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Wut

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Yup this is where sanctions get interesting

If you look at Russia's stop exports and imports you will see the exports are predominantly raw materials based. The imports are pretty much the refined end product.
Raw materials are most easier to acquire and sell when you need generally a higher tech basis to produce the refined products

If the sanctions end up working you are going to start seeing more and more shortages of refined end products if they cannot be acquired elsewhere.

If the west can divorce themselves and cut the export of oil from Russia by half, I think they are going to be in a world of hurt. Russia oil suppliers would have to idle plants or store the product somewhere. You can only store so much.

Figures all from : https://www.worldstopexports.com/

Top 10 Exports (2021)
  1. Mineral fuels including oil: US$211.5 billion (43% of total exports)
  2. Gems, precious metals: $31.6 billion (6.4%)
  3. Iron, steel: $28.9 billion (5.9%)
  4. Fertilizers: $12.5 billion (2.5%)
  5. Wood: $11.7 billion (2.4%)
  6. Machinery including computers: $10.7 billion (2.2%)
  7. Cereals: $9.1 billion (1.9%)
  8. Aluminum: $8.8 billion (1.8%)
  9. Ores, slag, ash: $7.4 billion (1.5%)
  10. Plastics, plastic articles: $6.2 billion (1.3%)
Top 10 Imports (2021)
  1. Machinery including computers: US$54.3 billion (18.5% of total imports)
  2. Electrical machinery, equipment: $36.8 billion (12.5%)
  3. Vehicles: $26.8 billion (9.1%)
  4. Pharmaceuticals: $13.8 billion (4.7%)
  5. Plastics, plastic articles: $12.6 billion (4.3%)
  6. Optical, technical, medical apparatus: $8.7 billion (3%)
  7. Articles of iron or steel: $6.4 billion (2.2%)
  8. Iron, steel: $5.9 billion (2%)
  9. Organic chemicals: $5.8 billion (2%)
  10. Fruits, nuts: $5.4 billion (1.8%)
Russia's top trading partners (2021) also make for interesting reading. It is going to be interesting to see what happens to these figures after sanctions take effect. These 30 account for ~80% of Russia's exports.
  1. China: US$68 billion (13.8% of Russia’s total exports)
  2. Netherlands: $42.2 billion (8.6%)
  3. Germany: $29.6 billion (6%)
  4. Turkey: $26.5 billion (5.4%)
  5. Belarus: $22.8 billion (4.6%)
  6. United Kingdom: $22.3 billion (4.5%)
  7. Italy: $19.3 billion (3.9%)
  8. Kazakhstan: $18.5 billion (3.8%)
  9. United States: $17.7 billion (3.6%)
  10. South Korea: $16.9 billion (3.4%)
  11. Poland: $16.7 billion (3.4%)
  12. Japan: $10.7 billion (2.2%)
  13. France: $9.9 billion (2%)
  14. Finland: $9.7 billion (2%)
  15. India: $9.1 billion (1.9%)
  16. Belgium: $8.7 billion (1.8%)
  17. Ukraine: $8.1 billion (1.7%)
  18. Brazil: $5.3 billion (1.1%)
  19. Uzbekistan: $5.2 billion (1.1%)
  20. Slovakia: $5.1 billion (1%)
  21. United Arab Emirates: $5.1 billion (1%)
  22. Lithuania: $4.6 billion (0.9%)
  23. Latvia: $4.3 billion (0.9%)
  24. Greece: $4.2 billion (0.9%)
  25. Egypt: $4.2 billion (0.8%)
  26. Estonia: $4.1 billion (0.8%)
  27. Czech Republic: $4 billion (0.8%)
  28. Spain: $3.8 billion (0.8%)
  29. Hungary: $3.7 billion (0.8%)
  30. Taiwan: $3.5 billion (0.7%
Notice the lack of India / North Korea etc that have been touted to fill the gap of the west.
India is number 15 on your list!? Might be time for you to get some new spectacles. Not enough to pick up all the slack but they are there :whistling:
 

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Even some Russians will say the "sanctions don't work" mantra is bs.

From the link:

Still, some top business leaders, like German Gref, the CEO of banking giant Sberbank, warned that without a fundamental overhaul, Russia's economy will require a decade to return to its 2021 levels.

Even if a cease-fire or truce is reached in Ukraine, Russia would still face a "besieged fortress" phenomenon, economist Yevgeny Gontmakher predicted.

"In this scenario, too, the economy would become more primitive and focus only on supporting military production," he said in a May 31 research note.

"External conditions have changed for a long time indeed, if not forever," Nabiullina said at the St. Petersburg forum, not long after Putin's speech. "It's obvious to everyone that it won't be as it was before."
 

ForceFate

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Putin upping the rhetoric

Whatever happens from this point, he has caused serious damage to the reputation of the Russian military. Those victory day parades aren't going to be the same again.
 

The Trutherizer

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Putin upping the rhetoric

I thought he already had. Well they said something about it like 3 months ago.
I still maintain that Putin likely thinks nothing, at all, of Lukashenko. Bordering on derision. He would never give that imbecile nuclear capabilities.
If he sends nukes to Belarus, then it's still just simply Russian nukes, under Russian control. And if there are nukes in Kaliningrad (which in my opinion is not certain from a strategic security perspective, but hey... probably.) then what extra good would nukes in Belarus do Russia? Nothing. A tiny bit of redundancy, but with some significant extra security complication. The thing with nukes are - You don't simply station some missiles with nuclear warheads somewhere. You station them only where you know you can assuredly, to a damned certain degree, keep them.
 

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It's 'current thing' logic Ian. It's not meant to make sense.


Do you fact check anything you post?

Maybe you are confusing Ukraine with Russia?


 

sefeddt

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Do you fact check anything you post?

Maybe you are confusing Ukraine with Russia?


A quick search will show Z Bot feeble attempt.

 

Dave

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A quick search will show Z Bot feeble attempt.


Yep, trans soldiers serving (and accepted) in fighting units with positive support from senior officers.

Compare that to the ways of the Orc army.
 

deathprophet215

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So we have have. Ukrainian Jews, Muslims, Christians, Agnostics and LGBTQ's, men, women old and young, Ukrainian and Russian speaking from all walks of life standing up against the Russian aggressors. Who exactly is Putin "liberating"
They're so diverse and yet they still lose? Hmmm. Wasn't all that diversity supposed to make a difference?
 

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And again it's only on paper. Have a look at Coca-Cola, Pepsi, Redbull, Monster, Lays, Pringles and I could go on and on. They mostly just suspended investment and marketing in Russia but they are still actively distributing and selling over there. Coca-Cola has launched some specials to get Russians to go back to the original rather than the imposter Russian versions that are coming out. There needs to be some real consequences over this or each and every company will reverse there decisions to follow the others and go back to Russia.

This guy is not digging deep enough. He didn't even read past the first paragraph in the article that he shows a screenshot of after seeing Pringles on the shelf.

It clearly states that they have stopped shipping Pringles. So that's old stock.

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I'm not saying every company is playing ball, but it's just too early to start pointing fingers at companies that say they have halted production because we see a video of a product on a shelf.
 
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