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Sign up with GoogleRusso-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part3
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The Russians again shelled a nuclear facility in Kharkiv
ALONA MAZURENKO - SATURDAY, 25 JUNE 2022, 17:04
On 25 June, as a result of another shelling, the occupiers damaged the subcritical nuclear facility "Neutron Source" in Kharkiv.
Source: State Nuclear Regulatory Inspectorate of Ukraine
Quote: "According to the operational organisation of the National Science Centre Kharkiv Institute of Physics and Technology (NSC KIPT), a preliminary inspection of the site has established that there has been additional damage to buildings and infrastructure of the industrial site."
Details: The following are reported to have been damaged:
- the north wall of the accelerator extension to the experimental hall of the facility;
- ventilation ducts of the special ventilation system;
- ventilation pipe of the main building of the facility;
- klystron gallery of the accelerator cooling system;
- housings of the diesel generators for the emergency power supply system;
- cladding of the main building of the facility.
At present, the nuclear facility has been reclassified to a deep subcritical state.
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...a leaf out of the Nazi handbook.
Mariupol: Occupiers burn all books from the library of the Church of Petro Mohyla, including some unique ones
ANASTASIIA KALATUR – SUNDAY, 26 JUNE 2022, 02:00www.pravda.com.ua
The occupiers have burned all the books from the library of the church of Petro Mohyla in Mariupol.
Source: Petro Andriushchenko, advisor to the Mayor of Mariupol
Quote from Andriushchenko: "In the Church of Petro Mohyla, Ukrainian Orthodox Church, at the suggestion and with the assistance of Russian Orthodox Church priests in Mariupol, the entire extensive library, collected by volunteers and benefactors, was confiscated and burned in the Church courtyard."
Details: It is reported that the library contained several unique copies of Ukrainian-language publications, which are now lost forever.
The Church of Petro Mohyla was built with the support of the local residents and entered in the Book of Records of Ukraine as containing the largest Petrykivka painting.
- The Russians, accompanied by security, brought a delegation of the Moscow Patriarchate to the city. The Russian Orthodox Church instructed the collaborators to resume the work of the temples and pray for the Russian military.
- According to Andriushchenko, the occupiers are now deciding whether to demolish the Petro Mohyla church or reformat it according to the canons of the Russian Orthodox Church.
But the Orthodox Church burning Orthodox books .. they must have zero self respect
Russians "training" in the army, sweeping squares, cleaning toilets and building houses for generals [INTERVIEW]
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Rosjanie "szkoląc się" w armii zamiatali place, czyścili toalety i budowali domy dla generałów [WYWIAD]
Ukraińcy dzielnie walczą z rosyjskim najeźdźcą. Wśród walczących są zawodowi wojskowi ale również cywile. Zdarza się, że do oddziałów dołączają osoby, które wcześniej nie mogły trafić do wojska ze względu na różne okoliczności. Moim rozmówcą jest dzisiaj Ukrainiec pochodzenia afrykańskiego...
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That is beyond burning Ukrainian books , just pure barbarism , the guys was big in all the orthodox Churches
And I am not even religious
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A- Say this was justified, because Donbas.
B- Say these were Ukrainian missiles.
C- Say this was photoshopped.
D- Say this was a false flag operation.
E- Say the little girl was asking for this because Ukraine refuses to surrender.
F- Say the little girl is actually a child actor and it was all staged.
G- Say the little girl has "Nazi" tattoos.
H- Say it is all of the above.
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Hate to say it but Ukraine did provoke cultural and language reforms 3 years ago. We cannot turn a blind eye to things like this while still opposing BEE laws and the ANC's continued discrimination against the Afrikaans language.
Ukraine passes language law, irritating president-elect and Russia
Ukraine's parliament approved a law on Thursday that grants special status to the Ukrainian language and makes it mandatory for public sector workers, a move Russia described as divisive and said discriminated against Russian-speakers.www.reuters.com
Well Russia never had option of working or studying in anything else than Russian , and they have ~7% Ukrainians living there and many many indigenous languages which won't get them jobs or education if spoken.
Hate to say it but Ukraine did provoke cultural and language reforms 3 years ago. We cannot turn a blind eye to things like this while still opposing BEE laws and the ANC's continued discrimination against the Afrikaans language.
Ukraine passes language law, irritating president-elect and Russia
Ukraine's parliament approved a law on Thursday that grants special status to the Ukrainian language and makes it mandatory for public sector workers, a move Russia described as divisive and said discriminated against Russian-speakers.
So would you say Poland should invade Belarus because Belarus has just closed the last school instruction (2 hour per week) for the Polish ethnic minority there.
Getting back to the article above,
What's the details around this law? What is meant by mandatory? Do people get fired? Do people lose their jobs?
I don't think any of that happens in practice in Ukraine. Ukrainian is a similar language to Russian. Being able to mouth off a few words in Ukrainian when you're a public facing employee is probably not a big deal especially if you lived in the region your whole life.
Of course Russia itself has been forcing out local languages in favour of their Russian languages in the various ethnic republics in Russia.
It's important to understand the context. That is the Russian Mir and Ukrainians respond in relation to that. They're being told their country does not exist. Russification has been going on since the 19th century.
I would be more nuanced when judging anything.
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The Zbots will be along shortly to:
A- Justify this
B- Say these were Ukrainian missiles
C- Say this was photshopped
D- Say this was a false flag operation
E- Say the little girl was asking for this because Ukraine refuses to surrender
F- Say she is a Nazi
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It was more personal.Hate to say it but Ukraine did provoke cultural and language reforms 3 years ago. We cannot turn a blind eye to things like this while still opposing BEE laws and the ANC's continued discrimination against the Afrikaans language. The whole stance of both sides just smacks of hypocrisy and double standards and has only gotten worse.
Ukraine passes language law, irritating president-elect and Russia
Ukraine's parliament approved a law on Thursday that grants special status to the Ukrainian language and makes it mandatory for public sector workers, a move Russia described as divisive and said discriminated against Russian-speakers.
It's different in the sense that Afrikaans is an official language in the country and there's no law mandating anyone to limit its use. Any decision by the ANC to suppress the language can easily be challenged in court.
'We don't want to speak Russian any more'
The four members used to speak mostly Russian but now say they cannot use the language of their oppressors.
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Millions of Ukrainians have been displaced following the Russian invasion, their lives changed completely.
The BBC followed up on a story of teenagers who set up a rock band in the city of Avdiyivka, right on the front line in eastern Ukraine.
They were filmed just a few weeks before Moscow launched a full-scale attack on their country.
Russian forces heavily shelled Avdiyivka and all members of the band were eventually evacuated.
They have finally all met up for the first time since the invasion.
The BBC's Abdujalil Abdurasulov joined them at their reunion in the city of Dnipro, where the young musicians shared their horrific experience and explained how the war was changing their music and views.
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Indeed, original post updated with some additional fabrications.
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Hate to say it but Ukraine did provoke cultural and language reforms 3 years ago. We cannot turn a blind eye to things like this while still opposing BEE laws and the ANC's continued discrimination against the Afrikaans language. The whole stance of both sides just smacks of hypocrisy and double standards and has only gotten worse.
Ukraine passes language law, irritating president-elect and Russia
Ukraine's parliament approved a law on Thursday that grants special status to the Ukrainian language and makes it mandatory for public sector workers, a move Russia described as divisive and said discriminated against Russian-speakers.
Dunno hey
There's a rather large divide between declaring an official language and organising the actual physical destruction of books written in another language.
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There are plenty in the Western and Northern Cape of all colours, creeds and political persuasion who will vehemently oppose the ANC/EFF on the Afrikaans issue if it gets anywhere near any kind of official policy.
What's the rest of Europe like though? Do Public employees have a responsibility to have at least some basic official language skills or can they contribute to ghetto formation which then sow the seeds for the government of the Russian Federation to breed insurrection and national disunity? If these people serve mostly Russian speaking Ukrainians they will use Russian regardless. If only Ukrainian is used on documents, that will not work and for practical reasons it would be changed in those areas where it's not the case. People will just refuse and claim they don't understand.
I also wouldn't call this a provocation, but rather a pretext. But Russia will find pretexts regardless.
I would say the situation for Afrikaans is different because Afrikaners originate in SA. If Afrikaans is eliminated here, it will be made essentially extinct. Afrikaans is a native language of this land. Russian is a language spoken by millions and mostly in Russia. Russia is on the other hand is stamping out local languages of the various ethnic minorities. It's the native languages there, and once those go, these minority languages become extinct.
Of course if Ukraine enters the EU there will be more ways for minorities to help assure their civil rights.
Hitler Youth? Maybe Zelenskyy Youth.
Ukraine could have made Russian the only official language for all of Ukraine and Russia would still invade.
Russia does not want a prosperous Ukraine. Given close connections with 14 mil Russians having Ukrainian relatives and many Russians having been to Ukraine before, Ukraine's success would make Russians themselves question their own doctrine and government. That's why a Westernised independent Ukraine is a threat to Russia. It's not any NATO membership, it's becoming more like say the Czech Republic than a typical Russian ex-SSR.
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