Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part3

[rph72]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1541116980584923137

 

[Blu82]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1540668239059079169

 

[Mirai]

that doesn't say much, cathodic church had deep collaboration with the Nazis and Israel even funded AZOV.

That's your personal opinion and means nothing. What has the Catholic Church to do with a Jewish Rabbi?

Do you put the Catholic Church there because I brought up a Jewish Rabbi?


How irrationally your mind works.

Rights groups demand Israel stop arming neo-Nazis in Ukraine

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www.haaretz.com

and yes the Ukrainian Nationalists do honor Nazis collaborators.

Yes rights groups... there are all sorts of rights groups, yet it's the Israeli state which makes the call.

A group of more than 40 human rights activists have filed a petition with the High Court of Justice, demanding the cessation of Israeli arms exports to Ukraine.

Who knows, maybe they are influenced by Russia? Who knows. 40 people is a drop. Not much.

ROBERT PARRY: When Western Media Saw Ukraine's Neo-Nazis

Emmanuel Macron said in a speech Wednesday it's a lie that Russia is fighting Nazis in Ukraine. But in 2014, the BBC, the NYT, the Daily Telegraph and CNN -- not just CN -- reported on the Nazi threat. NYT Discovers Ukraine's Neo-Nazis at War Exclusive: Throughout the Ukraine crisis, the U.S. Sta

consortiumnews.com

For Indians Churchill is a murderer of millions of Indians. When Brits quote Churchill they are not venerating him for any part he may or may not have taken in famine in the 1940s in India but for his pro-British stance during WW2.

You're just posting nonsense.

Stop supporting war and supporting invasions and killings.

 

[Mirai]

For you NICO:

 

[Dave]

The CIA has been training insurgencies in Ukraine since the 1950s. Most of them were Neo Nazis.

you can just go to the CIAs own website for their inconvenient cold war allies....

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/STUDIES%20IN%20INTELLIGENCE%20NAZI%20-%20RELATED%20ARTICLES_0015.pdf

As for Ukraine's history and cooperation in the holocaust.

The “Holocaust by Bullets” in Ukraine | The National WWII Museum | New Orleans

The Holocaust in Ukraine represents the first phase of the Holocaust in which an estimated 1.5 million Jews were shot to death at close range in ravines, open fields, and forests.

www.nationalww2museum.org

in the 1950s they were actual nazis, remnants of those who collaborated with the Germans. There was even a US program to resettle Nazis in America, many came from Ukraine.

on operation paperclip.

Operation Paperclip - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Despite a Jewish president, ukraine is the only country with Nazis paramilitaries that have free reigns on the street and a swastikas' being used by its own armed forces. Hardly insignificant. Don't forget that the majority of Germans weren't in the SS, they were just silenced about the crimes.

more on the USA training Ukrainian insurgents,

Op-Ed: The CIA has backed Ukrainian insurgents before. Let's learn from those mistakes

It may sound like a neat way to avoid 'boots on the ground' for Americans, but the bloodshed would be immense.

www.latimes.com

that doesn't say much, cathodic church had deep collaboration with the Nazis and Israel even funded AZOV.

Rights groups demand Israel stop arming neo-Nazis in Ukraine

***

www.haaretz.com

and yes the Ukrainian Nationalists do honor Nazis collaborators.

ROBERT PARRY: When Western Media Saw Ukraine's Neo-Nazis

Emmanuel Macron said in a speech Wednesday it's a lie that Russia is fighting Nazis in Ukraine. But in 2014, the BBC, the NYT, the Daily Telegraph and CNN -- not just CN -- reported on the Nazi threat. NYT Discovers Ukraine's Neo-Nazis at War Exclusive: Throughout the Ukraine crisis, the U.S. Sta

consortiumnews.com

Seriously, Nico, could you feck off with all this Nazi and time travelling CIA shìt, not even Putin is pretending it's about Nazis in Ukraine anymore.

It makes you look like a total loon and it's getting really tiresome in this thread. Go play at being lunatic man in the Off Topic thread.

 

[Mirai]

Seriously, Nico, could you feck off with all this Nazi and time travelling CIA shìt, not even Putin is pretending it's about Nazis in Ukraine anymore.

It makes you look like a total loon and it's getting really tiresome in this thread. Go play at being lunatic man in the Off Topic thread.

The guy thinks he knows better than millions of doctors and scientists about HIV based on some BS articles by non-in-field scientits and journalists from the 90s. That's how he rolls. He's not rational.

I brought up a Rabbi, he brings up the Pope. He sees, religious figure, ok, they're all the same, so Catholic, Jewish, same thing for him.

Honestly I'm starting to pity this guy.

 

[Dave]

The guy thinks he knows better than millions of doctors and scientists about HIV based on some BS articles by non-in-field scientits and journalists from the 90s. That's how he rolls. He's not rational.

I brought up a Rabbi, he brings up the Pope. He sees, religious figure, ok, they're all the same, so Catholic, Jewish, same thing for him.

Honestly I'm starting to pity this guy.

He was a rational straight up guy for years, I would love to know what spun him off to the crazy conspiracy world and completely changed his world outlook.

It's almost like a stranger took over the Nicodeamus account.

 

[Mirai]

He was a rational straight up guy for years, I would love to know what spun him off to the crazy conspiracy world and completely change his world outlook.

It's almost like a stranger took over the Nicodeamus account.

Maybe you two were just in agreement in the past and so you didn't question how he came to his conclusions.

Or maybe he was more rational.

His HIV denialism is the worst but this Nazi BS and his religious adherence to Russia First and some sort of Continental European system ala Congress of Vienna is also crazy.

And he can't ftahom that even if there are "neo-Nazis" among Ukrainians, maybe the Russians are an order of magnitude worse and a greater threat than any clown militias.

There is just so much wrong here, either people are so ignorant or they are being intellectually dishonest.

It's like a kid who says ---oh a Nazi because of some runes!!!!1 Ergo all Ukrainians must be slaves of Communist neo Russia.

How crazy is that?

Sorry Congress of Vienna II is not happening Nico. Russia blew her load... too soon to be vulgar about it. It's all lost. All that hard work is lost.

 

[Mirai]

And I'm sick of the Nazi BS. My grandfather and great-grandfather were both MURDERED by Nazi Germans.
(Not collateral damage but murdered actually.)
If anybody should be weary of Nazis, it's me, not Nico, who is Afrikaans and so according to Hitler would be an Aryan. I would be a Untermench myself. Nico keep of the Nazi BS. You have no right to talk about it.

 

[Dave]

Maybe you two were just in agreement in the past and so you didn't question how he came to his conclusions.

Or maybe he was more rational.

No, I'm going back years, his only foible was a love for nuclear power over all other types, all this QAnon crap, conspiracy theories and other craziness just started overnight, as if a concrete block fell on his head and caused an injury.

 

[Nicodeamus]

The guy thinks he knows better than millions of doctors and scientists about HIV based on some BS articles by non-in-field scientits and journalists from the 90s. That's how he rolls. He's not rational.

Not millions of doctors, rather a few doctors who work in the research. But I did read the actual books/works of Peter Duesberg and the Perth Group (qualified doctors), as well as Karry Mullis who won a Noble price for discovering PCR and Luc Montagnier who discovered the HIV Virus.
They all agreed that the hypothesis is flimsy at best. These are not trivial voices no matter how much you try and downplay it. But it seems that you constantly bring up the HIV story, it seems that I really hit a sensitive nerve here.

I brought up a Rabbi, he brings up the Pope. He sees, religious figure, ok, they're all the same, so Catholic, Jewish, same thing for him.

No I pointed out to you that just because a Rabbi says that there are no Nazis isn't evidence or telling. The Catholics church cooperated with Fascism, Mussolini in particular.

Honestly I'm starting to pity this guy.

well thank you.

 

[Nicodeamus]

And I'm sick of the Nazi BS. My grandfather and great-grandfather were both MURDERED by Nazi Germans.
(Not collateral damage but murdered actually.)

Sorry to hear, but that alone doesn't make you an authority on Ukrainian Nazism that is a serious problem today.

If anybody should be weary of Nazis, it's me, not Nico, who is Afrikaans and so according to Hitler would be an Aryan. I would be a Untermench myself. Nico keep of the Nazi BS. You have no right to talk about it.

My one grandfather was Jewish, I am not sure how that entered into the calculus.

 

[Nicodeamus]

Seriously, Nico, could you feck off with all this Nazi and time travelling CIA shìt, not even Putin is pretending it's about Nazis in Ukraine anymore.

I quoted the official sources on it, whether Putin sticks to it or not is irrelevant. I don't ask for Putin's approval to call out BS in the ukraine story.. Ukraine does have a Nazi problem and it is being downplayed by the media.

It makes you look like a total loon and it's getting really tiresome in this thread. Go play at being lunatic man in the Off Topic thread.

I am not sure how quoting official sources makes me look like a loon.
I have been following the Ukrainian story since 2014 and until last year there was no controversy in bring up the role of the Neo Nazis in the maiden protest in particular. Then that just got memory holed as the war propaganda ramped up.

 

[Nicodeamus]

For you NICO:

I am well aware of his legacy, also Kissinger's legacy etc, yes humans are imperfect.
Churchill ignored he Indian famine
Ghandi using the word kaff!r (as well as calling blacks infeior).
Martin Luther wrote a book about the Jews and their lies, yet the contributed in reforming the church.
Nelson Mandela called for the bombing of civilians and refuged to renounce violence.


Yet none of the above is equivalent to Stephan Bandera and the Ukrainian Nazis who went out of their way to collaborate with the Germans in the holocaust.

 

[vaakseun]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1541154175198822401

 

[Mirai]

Sorry to hear, but that alone doesn't make you an authority on Ukrainian Nazism that is a serious problem today.

No but that definitely makes me sick of hearing about Nazis from you. And no, for me, Russia is a far greater threat than any Ukraine, even with Azov in it or not.

My one grandfather was Jewish, I am not sure how that entered into the calculus.

That would still make you more Aryan than me. Keep your broken record Nazi bollocks off this forum.

 

[Mirai]

Yet none of the above is equivalent to Stephan Bandera and the Ukrainian Nazis who went out of their way to collaborate with the Germans in the holocaust.

Now you're making a subjective judgement call. If you speak to any Indian they would tell you you're wrong.

And you of course missed the point, neither Churchill nor Bandera are celebrated for their anti-Indian or anti-Jewish stances.

Bandera is liked by some Ukrainians because of his anti-Russian imperialist stance.

One man's heroes are another man's villains.

And Russia went out of her way to collaborate with Hitler until he invaded her, also on Jews.

Soviet leaders like Stalin are still venerated in Russia. 80% approval rating.

So if you want to be intellectually honest you'd have to admit the Russians and the Ukrainians are then worth each other, and these two points would cancel each other out. But of course you are not neutral here.

 

[Mirai]

I quoted the official sources on it, whether Putin sticks to it or not is irrelevant. I don't ask for Putin's approval to call out BS in the ukraine story.. Ukraine does have a Nazi problem and it is being downplayed by the media.

Ukraine does not have a Nazi problem. Ukraine has pro-Ukrainian nationalists, some of whom were just nasty.
Some collaborated with the Germans for some of the time. That time is long gone. CIA supported some of these guys who sided with anyone who was anti-Russian. Enemy of my enemy is my friend. You said CIA is training neo-Nazis and you have not provided proof. Providing a book written in 1998 which goes up to 1950 does not constitute proof for 2022.

I am not sure how quoting official sources makes me look like a loon.
I have been following the Ukrainian story since 2014 and until last year there was no controversy in bring up the role of the Neo Nazis in the maiden protest in particular. Then that just got memory holed as the war propaganda ramped up.

The Neo Nazis in Maidan are not relevant. Ukrainians wanted into the EU. The "neo Nazis" there are not relevant and don't describe the actions of the vast majority of Ukrainians and you know that.

What you're doing is smearing all Ukrainians as Nazis which is RACIST.

 

[Dave]

I quoted the official sources on it, whether Putin sticks to it or not is irrelevant. I don't ask for Putin's approval to call out BS in the ukraine story.. Ukraine does have a Nazi problem and it is being downplayed by the media.

I am not sure how quoting official sources makes me look like a loon.
I have been following the Ukrainian story since 2014 and until last year there was no controversy in bring up the role of the Neo Nazis in the maiden protest in particular. Then that just got memory holed as the war propaganda ramped up.

Russia does as well, in fact a worse one.

 

[Dave]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1541083822288150532