SA’s black population considering emigration — survey

[Gyre]

But why are they leaving the African paradise that came into being on 27 April 1994?

Why is anyone leaving then?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Are you telling me only the skilled are leaving? Or is it anyone with the means to sustain themselves in their host countries as well?

Will the host countries take the unskilled?

 

[rh1]

Seems you have a major misunderstanding of socialism. Socialised healthcare is where your taxes cover your healthcare, there are no pay tiers at the hospital, as the example laid out

So paying more for the same service as another person, for a service you already paid for via exhorbant taxes is what? And why do you think that makes sense.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

I like how the default is leaving, like staying is not even worth it anymore, fubar, nobody really wants to live under the monster they helped create.. A real world frANCkenstein situation lol.

Cant say this wasn't predicted hey..

Predicted in the 1980s already. I get to say "I told you this would happen" again.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Family.

There is no chance I will get into the UK as a permanent resident due to my age despite my son and daughter being full British citizens and me having skills the UK desperately seeks.

 

[Neptuner]

Exactly. No countries, just tribes.

I’m sure if Europe never settled in this region surely by now the wheel would have been invented in a rock form, like The Flintstones, yaba dabba do!

 

[ForceFate]

Exactly. No countries, just tribes.

Not all of Europe had countries either in the 16th century.

 

[ForceFate]

There is no chance I will get into the UK as a permanent resident due to my age despite my son and daughter being full British citizens and me having skills the UK desperately seeks.

We're not talking about permanent residency.

 

[wingnut771]

Not all of Europe had countries either in the 16th century.

The difference is that Africa would still be like that in the 21st century.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Name one that prospered under colonialism.

All did. There was very little unemployment.

 

[aleksandar]

Seems you have a major misunderstanding of socialism. Socialised healthcare is where your taxes cover your healthcare, there are no pay tiers at the hospital, as the example laid out

That is true, however when there is not that many tax payers it simply can not cover for large population, so in order to have complete care you will have to have additional insurance or it can work as it works in my country with socialized health care.

My mom had to have op, she was booked for it but in last moment cancelled, this was going on for 4 weeks (book\cancel) until my dad asked one of the nurses what could be done, I think E300 ensured that next week all was sorted out.
Recently she had to have another one, he paid straight away and it was sorted same week.

If you do not have contact or money, lifesaving procedure can be delayed until you die. Waiting list for knee op is over 3 years............

So it is free on paper.

 

[ForceFate]

The difference is that Africa would still be like that in the 21st century.

Most of Europe was illiterate back in the 16th century. Had it not been possible to colonise the world, do you think the wars at the time would have given Europe chance to develop? With what resources? Colonialism to some extend worked positively for both sides. Europe is where it is because of it. Africa developed to some extend because of it.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

But why not? If they can make more working overseas, why shouldn't they?

Not the dispute. A Wakanda was promised in 1994. That's the reason SA'ns are in Dubai. If the Wakanda was delivered as promised, no SA'ns would use their expensive freedom of movement right to go anywhere.

Where is the Wakanda SA was promised?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Those countries wouldn't be where they are today if not of colonialism so it works both ways.

The African countries have regressed post colonial independence.

 

[ForceFate]

All did. There was very little unemployment.

Come on Cosmik. Come on. Why do you think there were laws preventing people from moving to urban areas? Had such laws not existed, we would have ended up with slums like we have today. That's why those with no purpose were banished to the homelands. Look at the rest of Africa to see the point I'm raising. Many had no segregation laws and their cities were surrounded by slums.

 

[ForceFate]

Not the dispute. A Wakanda was promised in 1994. That's the reason SA'ns are in Dubai. If the Wakanda was delivered as promised, no SA'ns would use their expensive freedom of movement right to go anywhere.

No such was promised. Promises made were free basic services and education. There was not even promose of free housing. RDP program started under the GNU.

Where is the Wakanda SA was promised?

No such was promised.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Are you telling me all non-black students at medical schools around the country have 6+A's?

No, but the UCT admissions policy requires the white med students to have higher marks in matric than the black students for admission.

This has been discussed on this forum before.

 

[ForceFate]

The African countries have regressed post colonial independence.

Let me put it this way. Let's compare 2 poor people; one living in a shack in the city and the other living in a mud house in a decent yard in the countryside. Who's better off?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Government or private sector? What level? Mind showing proof of this or pointing me in the right direction?

Go for a government teacher interview and see for yourself. Become a member of SADTU or be recommended first by a connection too.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Why is anyone leaving then?

I can understand the victims of the racist BEE, AA and EE system leaving. I can't understand those that keep voting the ANC into power leaving...