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[Bewlen]

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Wow.

 

[Phylax]

Aim of the legislation was to get those previously marginalised (as defined by the legislations) by the apartheid government into various fields and industries as a way of leveling the field. Of course there were loopholes those tasked with implementation exploited.

Instead of leveling the field, they made it lower.

Why is it, that almost all institutions of higher education, that was once world class institutions, became the shitholes we have today?!

The college my wife got her Btech from, use to write international exams. These days, they don't even give the course anymore as the current students are just to dumb to pass it.
International companies used to visit the faculty she studied at to recruit final year students, this haven't happened for many many years.

If Apartheid marginalized black people, then I don't want to know what you'll call what the ANC government did to them...

 

[Bewlen]

I should have clarified and been more clear - in the context, I mean black managers with afrikaans subordinates under Apartheid. I recall a few afrikaans miners resigning in my home town when the prospect of working for a black manager came up.

Agreed, there were none. AGAIN, that system was evil and therefore dismantled. This being the point of the argument. in current days, it is common to have all races in all positions.

Now the script is being flipped, but the discriminatory laws are ok because its the other way round?

 

[Neptuner]

I remember the education department offering early retirement to white teachers in their drive to get rid of them (1995). I also remember the department piloting an experiment in my matric year (1996) that nothing counted the whole year except the matric final exam. Since then the syllabus has changed multiple times and the pass mark just gets lower and lower.

It's all about race, today they at the helm driving us off a cliff shouting "it was a necessary evil" as they steer mid air thinking it can change course...

 

[Gyre]

Agreed, there were none. AGAIN, that system was evil and therefore dismantled. This being the point of the argument. in current days, it is common to have all races in all positions.

Now the script is being flipped, but the discriminatory laws are ok because its the other way round?

There is no approval of the system from my side, my only argument was that paled in comparison to the discrimination during Apartheid. I don't think even with drastic changes that it could reach the levels of Apartheid limitations.

This is a new, unrelayable problem to Apartheid, even if all we sre trying to do is evole imagery.

 

[TheChamp]

Instead of leveling the field, they made it lower.

Why is it, that almost all institutions of higher education, that was once world class institutions, became the shitholes we have today?!

The college my wife got her Btech from, use to write international exams. These days, they don't even give the course anymore as the current students are just to dumb to pass it.
International companies used to visit the faculty she studied at to recruit final year students, this haven't happened for many many years.

If Apartheid marginalized black people, then I don't want to know what you'll call what the ANC government did to them...

What difficult course can it possibly be? I know people are dom but really? How hard can it be?

 

[wingnut771]

There is no approval of the system from my side, my only argument was that paled in comparison to the discrimination during Apartheid. I don't think even with drastic changes that it could reach the levels of Apartheid limitations.

This is a new, unrelayable problem to Apartheid, even if all we sre trying to do is evole imagery.

2 wrongs don't make a right.

 

[Gyre]

2 wrongs don't make a right.

Again, nobody is arguing that it isn't wrong, just the comparison is way off.

 

[Bonywasawarrioraway]

What?

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Take that!

THAT is precisely what I have been telling you.

 

[Phylax]

Is that why they introduced legislation that disenfranchised non-whites, banned non-whites from marrying whites, prevented non-whites from getting involved in certain trades and fields, limited non-white movement in certain areas, spent a 10th of what they spent on whites on blacks, implemented laws that stipulated whites should earn way more than blacks, etc?

I can link you to various legislations that made all of this possible. You're welcome.

South Africa did not belong to "non-whites", it belonged to the people who created it, the Afrikaner.

"Non-whites" was considered foreigners, each having their own homeland where they were free to do whatever the hell they wanted. White people were not allowed to do business or reside in these homelands, so in other words white people also got disenfranchised by the Apartheid government.

Of course a government will spend more on its own tax paying citizens than what they spend on foreigners...
But let me ask you, why was it the white governments job to uplift and develop black people?

Apartheid was not created as a tool to oppress black people. It was created to protect the Afrikaner and to give them a place to call home.
It was also created to shield the black tribes from westernization and to develop at their own pace, without western influences.

What do you think is the worst thing that happened to black people: Apartheid or the westernization of their cultures and traditions?

 

[wingnut771]

Again, nobody is arguing that it isn't wrong, just the comparison is way off.

Ok, where do we go from here?

 

[Phylax]

What difficult course can it possibly be? I know people are dom but really? How hard can it be?

Let me ask you first, do you agree that the standard of education has drastically dropped the past 20+ years, and specially so at the old technicons and colleges, but also at universities?

 

[Bonywasawarrioraway]

Now hear me out this might be controversial, but you know you can be critical of someone for being **** and no need to bring race into it.

But I guess that is far out there.

Not really far out there.

But people are people.

If only we could control what other people think.

 

[TheChamp]

Let me ask you first, do you agree that the standard of education has drastically dropped the past 20+ years, and specially so at the old technicons and colleges, but also at universities?

I honestly have no idea, have never done any research on it, don't have any stats, nor am I in any position to speculate about it.

 

[ForceFate]

South Africa did not belong to "non-whites", it belonged to the people who created it, the Afrikaner.

South Africa as a country l is a creation of the British. Homelands as entities were created by apartheid government.

"Non-whites" was considered foreigners, each having their own homeland where they were free to do whatever the hell they wanted. White people were not allowed to do business or reside in these homelands, so in other words white people also got disenfranchised by the Apartheid government.

Of course a government will spend more on its own tax paying citizens than what they spend on foreigners...
But let me ask you, why was it the white governments job to uplift and develop black people?

Apartheid was not created as a tool to oppress black people. It was created to protect the Afrikaner and to give them a place to call home.
It was also created to shield the black tribes from westernization and to develop at their own pace, without western influences.

What do you think is the worst thing that happened to black people: Apartheid or the westernization of their cultures and traditions?

 

[Bewlen]

There is no approval of the system from my side, my only argument was that paled in comparison to the discrimination during Apartheid. I don't think even with drastic changes that it could reach the levels of Apartheid limitations.

This is a new, unrelayable problem to Apartheid, even if all we sre trying to do is evole imagery.

Limiting people's ability to access employment, is surely one of the two most basic of rights (access to education being first in my books). In my opinion, I will even carry a dompas, before you limit my access to employment or education.

The current regime is targeting the white population by limiting their access to employment and progression in their fields, with "employment equity" and "BEE", but it is going much further with the enactment of the latest set of regulations. Additionally, they are limiting their access to education as well. They are using a so-called system of "preference", or "preferential empowerment" - even going as far as calling it "positive discrimination". Think the award of bursaries and funding of students, financing models to institutes of higher learning, language policies. You think doctors who achieved 60% pass mark deserve access to medical studies above white students who achieved 90% (to use a single contrived example)? Is there any framework in which you can not call that "discrimination"?

My initial statement was (and the highlight was yours):
Now we have these laws again - incrementally stricter and harsher - but the colors are simply reversed. Would the premise then not apply again, where such a system should be rejected?
And by this I stand. The initial system was evil and rightly overthrown. But the new system keeps creeping evermore to increased discrimination, only this time towards the other side of the racial equation. Then how can it not be seen as increasingly unjust?

 

[Gyre]

Ok, where do we go from here?

Apartheid is gone but it left us with issues, one of them being the ANC. It's hard to gauge if BEE has been successful or if people have just been able to hire anyone now, but the black middle class has grown quite a bit.

The remaining problems in our country cannot be fixed by BEE, but also will take a generation or 2 to for any positive effects to be noticed with the born frees and equality laws - right now there are still a lot of people who came from or remember the Apartheid days

 

[Phylax]

South Africa as a country l is a creation of the British. Homelands as entities were created by apartheid government.

AFAIK the Republic of South Africa was created on 31 May 1961 after the 1960 referendum.

 

[TheChamp]

Let me ask you first, do you agree that the standard of education has drastically dropped the past 20+ years, and specially so at the old technicons and colleges, but also at the universities?

So what is the exceptionally difficult course offered at the College?

 

[Phylax]

So what is the exceptionally difficult course offered at the College?

Somatology.