SA’s black population considering emigration — survey

RiaX

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I love this forum...a few weeks ago it was just verkrampte, racist MyBroederbond people that emigrated.

Now that stats show Blacks also want to leave, it's suddenly fine and greener pastures and #BlacksCanEmigrateToo

Hahaha...priceless.

Guess we now know where our non quota guys are going ....
 

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Though I agree with you here. We should note that the corruption of the past did not destroy the organisation they were stealing from. The corruption of today is so brazen they dont even hide it anymore. The greed is second to none.
Fingering a 12y old girl is not as bad as gang raping her? Oh boy, the logic these days.
 

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So tell me, for what reason were they sidelined BEFORE '94. I mean if they couldn't be there on merit, why did you need government laws against them.
Zindzi Mandela got BSc from UCT in 1985, which to me as outsider looked strange that child of apartheid enemy number one would be provided with opportunity to study at university.
 

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Some points make a bit of sense.
Some points make sense, and others don't? well I tried... but just note that whatever doesn't make sense is from your end.
Is it not corruption perhaps? Corruption and BBBEE are separate concepts.
They are different but you need to understand the difference between cause and effect... Corruption within the South African context has spiraled out of control, make no mistake BBBEE is at the centre. Need we look far? Eskom a good case in point, produces majority of SA's energy, one of the largest companies in SA. Aligning the demographics of this organization to present the country's population continues to adversely affect the economy. An organization like this has clear objectives: keep the lights on... now if you know anything about engineering and the energy sector you would know they are intertwined with every other sector.

If you privy to the recruitment process you would know that the selection process is solely based on colour, a laggard black unskilled black artisan would take preference over a highly skilled ambitious white, coloured or indian artisan. The same applies to middle and senior levels of management. The mistakes being made on power plants are "33.33%" schoolboy mistakes, 10 generation units down... loadshedding again... do you honestly think the "33.33%'er" is going to get us out of loadshedding long term? you flood a pivotal organization like this with incompetence you F'd, you can't upskill a 33.33%'er he has no interest in reading a book... now ask yourself what influences this selection process to be so flawed?

Now comes the cherry on top, the same 33.33%'er is he/she capable warding off corruption? Is he/she able to have an understanding of acceptable materials, spares and services to repair a power plant to design base? Is he/she capable of comprehending abstract ideas like adding value? and how easily is this person influence or politized? day one they fear for their jobs they join a union to shield them, why? because they know they incompetent and they have no interest in improving their current state.

This is only a snippet of the recruitment process, we can dive into other processes like procurement and how PFMA demands black excellence at 400% the actual cost of spares and services. If you one of those oaks who still believes BBBEE can work if implemented correctly then you a numpty...

The policy promotes corruption from within and the rest is history...
State entities have been destroyed by rampant corruption and wilful mismanagement where handpicked individuals are thrust into positions to make sure certain nefarious objectives are reached. Look at SAA under JZ, where Myeni was thrust into position of power despite her shortcomings. Do you think if they wanted a black person to head the airline they wouldn't have selected an educated person from within the corporate office?
No they were destroyed by policy, corruption followed.
Look at what they did to Denel. Do you think an ethical black manager drawn from the pool in the private sector would have allowed what happened? Eskom. It was free for all. Some of the CEO's even awarded families tenders worth hundreds of millions.
What good is an ethical management team when the very system they manage would prevent them from reaching their goals?
Bosasa scandal. Transnet. To name but a few. The recent PPE scandals? Come on.
This means what exactly? you still focused on symptoms. The problem is systemic. By making statements like the country is in the current condition due to corruption is very "small-brained" and an isolated way of looking at the problem.
 

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Okay, 90% then.
Nope. Why is it not filtering to the private sector of that was the case? My first employer fired 8 senior and middle managers during my time there. All 8 were white.

Before I get chastised for this, no it has nothing to do with their skin colour. It was 8 corrupt individuals that happened to take advantage of lax controls. The same is happening at the public sector, where controls are intentionally relaxed and corrupt individuals such as Brian Molefe and Anot Singh are planted into positions of authority to siphon the money out.
 
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Nope. Why is it not filtering to the private sector of that was the case? My first employer fired 8 senior and middle managers during my time there. All 8 were white.

Before I get chastised for this, no it has nothing to do with their skin colour. It was 4 corrupt individuals that happened to take advantage of lax controls. The same is happening at the public sector, where controls are intentionally relaxed and corrupt individuals such as Brian Molefe and Anot Singh are planted into positions of authority to siphon the money out.
A fish rots from the head down, especially in a Mafia State.
 
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RiaX

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Nope. Why is it not filtering to the private sector of that was the case? My first employer fired 8 senior and middle managers during my time there. All 8 were white.

Before I get chastised for this, no it has nothing to do with their skin colour. It was 4 corrupt individuals that happened to take advantage of lax controls. The same is happening at the public sector, where controls are intentionally relaxed and corrupt individuals such as Brian Molefe and Anot Singh are planted into positions of authority to siphon the money out.

Yes but firstly in the private sector you have to be competent to get to the top. Secondly if you caught you dealt with swiftly unlike in public sector.
 

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Source?

You sound like @surface now...this uninformed obsession with emigration to Australia.

People from SA emigrate to ALL parts of the world and are most definitely not 2nd class citizens there. Stop talking kak.
Hey, if you want to emigrate then cool, All I am saying is I won’t emigrate due to the reason above. Each to their own.
 

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Yes but firstly in the private sector you have to be competent to get to the top.
Not necessarily (to some extend). There were/are a lot of redundant and duplications in the traditional industrial revolution era industries.
Secondly if you caught you dealt with swiftly unlike in public sector.
It wasn't as easy 10 years ago when their legacy systems (lots of paper) were still worshiped. There are few options available if the perps intentionally corrupt the system.
 

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I love this forum...a few weeks ago it was just verkrampte, racist MyBroederbond people that emigrated.

Now that stats show Blacks also want to leave, it's suddenly fine and greener pastures and #BlacksCanEmigrateToo

Hahaha...priceless.

One day we may see individuals instead of groups
 
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