SA’s black population considering emigration — survey

Cosmik Debris

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Just like there is no corruption in KPMG and Bosasa? Or those are run by a different breed of whites?

Care to show on the normal distribution curve (Seeing you claim a university education), where the number of corrupt whites sit compared to the number of corrupt blacks? And why was Agrizzi the only person charged at the Zondo commission?
 

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And yes some used to work with me because of BEE and AA. You know how I know I sat on interview panels and how the HR manager just deletes the selections and gives you a quota directive. Applicant must be Black male or black female. Dont belive me go search the job listings for the state its printed in bold on the adverts. You know what the best part the competent black professionals HATE the quota boys and so do the foreigners. Ask yourself why people prefer hiring foreigners these days ?

Here are the points given before the interview for a teacher:

Drawn up shortlist prior to conducting an interview, looks like this:

White male - minus 20.
White female - minus 15.
Indian male - minus 10.
Indian female - minus 8.
Coloured male - minus 5.
Coloured female - minus 3.
Black male or female - zero.

Having some sort of disability - qualifies you for +2/+4/+6.
 

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Truth is racists will always find plenty reasonable explanations to look at black people sideways, for an example, BEE/AA did not exist during the good old days, I guess all we can do is reminisce about how people were looked at purely on merit and nothing else back in those days.

Tell us how they were looked at seeing you must have been there?
 

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Of course, the inconvenient past.

This inconvenient past:

Under apartheid:

Mandela managed to get a lawyers degree and many other blacks like Steve Biko qualified professionally.

Ten black Universities were built during Apartheid.

The black education budget was increased by 30% every year.

65% Of black South African children were at school, compared to Egypt 64%, Nigeria 57%, Ghana 52%, Tanzania 50% and Ethiopia 29%.

71% Of black adults in South Africa could read and write, compared to Kenya 47%, Egypt 38%, Nigeria 34% and Mozambique at 26%.

15 new classrooms were built for blacks, every working day, every year.

The black population grew from 8 million to 27 million.

56% Of the annual budget was spent on blacks.

Black living standards rose by 5.4% per year.

Soweto had 115 football fields, 3 Rugby fields, 4 athletic tracks, 11 Cricket fields, 2 Golf courses, 47 Tennis courts, 7 swimming pools built to Olympic standards, 5 Bowling alleys, 81 Netball fields, 39 children play parks, and countless civic halls, movie houses and clubhouses, 300 churches, 365 schools, 2 Technical Colleges, 8 clinics, 63 child day care centres, 11 Post Offices, and its own fruit and vegetable market.

There were 2300 registered companies that belonged to black businessmen, about 1000 private taxi companies. 3% of the 50,000 vehicle owners in 1978 were Mercedes Benz owners. Soweto alone had more cars, taxis, schools, churches and sport facilities than most independent countries in Africa. And more private vehicles than the entire white population of the USSR at the time.

Only blacks were allowed to use Baragwanath Hospital, the then biggest state of the art hospital in the world, with 3200 beds and at its peak had almost 8000 staff and 23 operation theaters.

And a 5 minute video for you:

 

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When I went to university it was fair game and yes I have worked with black professionals that have been superior to me in practice and learnt from them. You really seem to be missing the point.
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The point is interns I used to train are like chalk and cheese (I'm talking couple of years ago). Your black students now have like 2 As 3 As and enter medical school/ school of pharmacy. The other races all have 6 plus As in matric. Now before you say school means nothing its a gauging criteria whether its effective or not is another story but that's the criteria applied to universities.
Are you telling me all non-black students at medical schools around the country have 6+A's?
There are a lot of black interns passing simply because the consultants/tutors don't want to be labeled racist or have to deal with that rubbish.
Lol. Which university is this?
Its easier to just let them pass (FYI you don't get paid extra to tutor). At the end of the day if it gets you fired for racism you are screwed in this country and your career is finished. NOBODY is going to take that risk and guess what its going to look that way because these courses will not be difficult for someone who has 8 As and they will breeze through it. Whereas someone with 2 As is going struggle. Then when you look at it on paper "oh no you failing all the blacks therefore you must be racist" even though you only trained 1 white 1 coloured and 1 indian and 5 blacks and 2 black students failed. How you think that looks on paper ? especially with the current behavior of everything is racist until I get my way. Look what happened to the director of the HPCSA who want trying to maintain standards over quota. She "stepped" down

As I've said before you want the professional/academic respect. Earn it. Level the playing field then we wont have these debates. If you really care about empowering black people don't shortchange their education and give yourself a pat on the back. The correct way to do BEE would be to provide funding for disadvantaged blacks so they can get quality education NOT pass 100s of useless students simply because they black.

If you think this type of stuff doesnt occur then you dreaming.

And yes some used to work with me because of BEE and AA. You know how I know I sat on interview panels and how the HR manager just deletes the selections and gives you a quota directive. Applicant must be Black male or black female. Dont belive me go search the job listings for the state its printed in bold on the adverts. You know what the best part the competent black professionals HATE the quota boys and so do the foreigners. Ask yourself why people prefer hiring foreigners these days ?

So please do not for a second act as if BEE is doing anyone any favours or its some valiant policy or that I am the only one seeing this rubbish. Though I think you are smart enough to understand where my post is coming from or you think our education standards are stellar and our economy is totally flourishing under these policies.:thumbsup:
Couldn't read the rest of the post.
 

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Here are the points given before the interview for a teacher:

Drawn up shortlist prior to conducting an interview, looks like this:

White male - minus 20.
White female - minus 15.
Indian male - minus 10.
Indian female - minus 8.
Coloured male - minus 5.
Coloured female - minus 3.
Black male or female - zero.

Having some sort of disability - qualifies you for +2/+4/+6.
Government or private sector? What level? Mind showing proof of this or pointing me in the right direction?
 

Cosmik Debris

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Correct...we can just look at them fist world countries to see that. Or to the bread, flour and contruction price fixing scandals.

So tell me, for what reason were they sidelined BEFORE '94. I mean if they couldn't be there on merit, why did you need government laws against them.

Can you tell me why black people were taking on electric fences and lions that had got used to human flesh to seek employment in the racist apartheid state?
 

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Or just natural movement to greener pastures.

But the great day of freedom dawning on 27 April 1994 was supposed to rain houses, cars, washing machines, tumble dryers, kettles, food, toilets, free electricity and water...

Yes, these were all ANC promises pre election.
 

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Fingering a 12y old girl is not as bad as gang raping her? Oh boy, the logic these days.

What an analogy. When SA was handed to a plate to the ANC in 1994, SAA, SABC, SA Railways, Eskom, any other SOE and the civil service, police and military were fully functioning entities with the SOE's being profitable and the Rand at R3-55 to the US Dollar. Unemployment was also very low and there were less than 10 squatter camps in 1986. There are over 7000 squatter camps now.

So SA has got better according to you?
 

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Who called it a paradise? Why do you want to impose restrictions on their movements? Part of what was achieved in abolition of apartheid is freedom of movement in the country or abroad. If I feel like I can make more money in the UK, why shouldn't I?

You make it seem like you just book a ticket and go? Perhaps you've forgotten that the SA passport is worthless
 

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Nope. Why is it not filtering to the private sector of that was the case? My first employer fired 8 senior and middle managers during my time there. All 8 were white.

Before I get chastised for this, no it has nothing to do with their skin colour. It was 8 corrupt individuals that happened to take advantage of lax controls. The same is happening at the public sector, where controls are intentionally relaxed and corrupt individuals such as Brian Molefe and Anot Singh are planted into positions of authority to siphon the money out.

And firing them instead of black guys who were also corrupt and replacing the 8 with black guys helped his BEE score, didn't it?
 
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