SA’s education quality is shocking: WEF report

It should be noted that some of the rankings were not based on testing the performance of students, but rather on opinions of business leaders.
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So another useless report based on useless opinions...
 
South Africa has come last for mathematics and science education quality
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Means nothing. In South Africa people are "entitled" to jobs.
 
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Mike Hoxbig said:
So another useless report based on useless opinions...
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Since businesses are on the tail end of the education system, their opinion on the matter is quite important. More so than an arbitrary mark given by the Matric pass rate.
 
konfab said:
Since businesses are on the tail end of the education system, their opinion on the matter is quite important. More so than an arbitrary mark given by the Matric pass rate.
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They're in no position to understand the quality of education. An employee's output is very rarely indicative of the quality of education they received, but rather their own personal ability. This would be true in any country. What they're actually admitting to is that they've hired poor quality employees because their screening process isn't up to scratch...
 
konfab said:
Since businesses are on the tail end of the education system, their opinion on the matter is quite important. More so than an arbitrary mark given by the Matric pass rate.
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100% Correct.

Businesses are at the long term outcomes end of learning. And that is where the system is failing on so many levels. Two articles that summarises a lot about what effective learning is, in a short easy format:

http://ww2.kqed.org/mindshift/2013/10/07/smart-strategies-that-help-students-learn-how-to-learn/
http://www.businessinsider.com/strategies-for-remembering-everything-you-learn-2014-8

Worth reading by everybody, irrespective of whether or not you are still a student. The principles are applicable to everyone in everything you do. And if you have kids, do it now. They will thank you for it.
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
They're in no position to understand the quality of education. An employee's output is very rarely indicative of the quality of education they received, but rather their own personal ability. This would be true in any country. What they're actually admitting to is that they've hired poor quality employees because their screening process isn't up to scratch...
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If you have two people, one from the UK, one from South Africa. The both say they have an 80% average on their CV for their final year at school. Who are you going to pick for your internship?
 
konfab said:
If you have two people, one from the UK, one from South Africa. The both say they have an 80% average on their CV for their final year at school. Who are you going to pick for your internship?
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Depends on the school each went to
 
konfab said:
If you have two people, one from the UK, one from South Africa. The both say they have an 80% average on their CV for their final year at school. Who are you going to pick for your internship?
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Is this like a maths question......

why you do this?:confused:
 
konfab said:
If you have two people, one from the UK, one from South Africa. The both say they have an 80% average on their CV for their final year at school. Who are you going to pick for your internship?
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Surely you can see how flawed that is. This entire argument revolves around perception. Business leaders perceive the UK's education equality to be better - is that actually the case? They then select the UK candidate based on their perception, and label SA's education quality as shocking. How do they actually know? They're in no position to know this.

Hence this report doesn't actually mean much unless it becomes more quantitative in nature, rather than relying on somebody's opinion...
 
lived666 said:
Is this like a maths question......

why you do this?:confused:
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It has nothing to do with maths :erm:.

This is a maths question:
You have a person from South Africa and a person from the UK, how many people do you have all together?
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:)

Or if you are a little further ahead:
S = {(2,5,3)} and T = {(2,0,5)}
The intersection of span(S) and span(T) is a vector space.
Find this space.
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Mike Hoxbig said:
Surely you can see how flawed that is. This entire argument revolves around perception. Business leaders perceive the UK's education equality to be better - is that actually the case? They then select the UK candidate based on their perception, and label SA's education quality as shocking. How do they actually know? They're in no position to know this.

Hence this report doesn't actually mean much unless it becomes more quantitative in nature, rather than relying on somebody's opinion...
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Look at the title:
The World Economic Forum (WEF) Global Competitiveness Report 2015 – 2016 ranked South Africa last in terms of its quality of math and science education.
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How would you quantitatively measure competitiveness?
The report itself is qualitative in nature, but what it says is right on the money IMO
South Africa climbs seven places to reach 49th, reversing its four-year downward trend thanks largely to increased uptake of ICTs especially higher Internet bandwidth—and improvements in innovation (up by five places to 38th), which establish the economy as the region’s most innovative. South Africa also hosts the continent’s most efficient financial market (12th) and benefits from a sound goods market (38th), which is driven by strong domestic competition (28th) and an efficient transport infrastructure (29th). It further benefits from strong institutions (38th), particularly property rights (24th) and a robust and independent legal framework. Reducing corruption (76th) and the burden of government regulation (117th) and improving the security situation (102nd) would further improve institutions. The country also needs to address its inefficient electricity supply (116th) and inflexible labor market (107th). Even more worrisome are health (128th) and the quality of education (120th), where higher secondary enrollment rates will not be enough to create the skills needed for a competitive economy.
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http://www3.weforum.org/docs/gcr/2015-2016/Global_Competitiveness_Report_2015-2016.pdf
 
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But we need to learn Chinese and an African language.
There is no logic when it come to this Government.
 
Fuzzbox said:
But we need to learn Chinese and an African language.
There is no logic when it come to this Government.
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You don't need to learn Chinese, but you can if you want to. Or are you opposed to giving people the option?
 
Mant1s said:
At least it cant get any worse? or can it? :)
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You want to bet. If the educators have mostly lower or false qualifications and or brain capacity than the learners what do you expect. If the teachers have no way to implement and enforce discipline in class what do you expect. The education system is in a national crises but the idiots in charge is to stupid to take notice. Viva ANC. This all thanks to the idiot Kader Asmal.
 
konfab said:
If you have two people, one from the UK, one from South Africa. The both say they have an 80% average on their CV for their final year at school. Who are you going to pick for your internship?
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There is hardly a difference between the syllabuses, the reality is that a matric, abitur, A levels, call it what you want, will not prepare you for the modern economy. The content of SA's educational system is not the problem, the model C schools are also not a problem the buggerup lies with the township schools and teachers.
 
Nicodeamus said:
There is hardly a difference between the syllabuses, the reality is that a matric, abitur, A levels, call it what you want, will not prepare you for the modern economy. The content of SA's educational system is not the problem, the model C schools are also not a problem the buggerup lies with the township schools and teachers.
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Yep
 
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