SA Birding Roberts Multimedia Birds - Does it get worse than this?

StNick

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I am both an avid Android user and an avid birder (the feathered variety), so I was pretty chuffed when I learned some time ago that SA Birding would be releasing a mobile version of their popular Roberts Multimedia Birds. What follows is a detailed and long-winded account of how SA Birding have become the embodiment of a company that is only interested in bleeding their customers dry whilst going out of their way to provide as little assistance as possible to potential buyers of their product.

About a year before I had booked a trip to Kruger, I gave them a shout to see what the progress was. "Its just around the corner now! Will be out by Christmas 2011." was the reply. Well Christmas came and went, and over the course of the next year, I would follow up via telephone and Email, only to receive the same "Its almost done" canned response. Eventually in November of 2012, I made a plea to Guy Gibbon (the owner of SA Birding) to please let me get my hands on a pre-release version for my trip. It was a long shot, but I was prepared to drive to their office, lay down my cash, sign any NDAs they required, and even report back with any bugs if they liked. I figured that the app MUST be ready by NOW! It was not to be, and I was forced to buy the Sasol app for my trip to Kruger. It has fewer features and costs half the price, but in the end, it performed admirably and I don't regret it. I'd had enough of SA Birding's deception and when it finally landed in December 2012 I was completely over it.

Fast forward to yesterday when my father decided that he wanted a tablet. Now if I am an avid birder, then my father is bird CRAZY. He has been buying Roberts Multimedia Birds (and all the upgrades) since it was first released, and has met and spoken with Guy Gibbon on many bird outings with the various bird clubs. Although I tried to talk him out of it, my dad was adamant that he wanted the Roberts Android Edition. The catch was that I was heading to his house that evening, and he only has a 384k internet connection and Roberts Android Edition has a complex installation procedure where you download the app from the App Store, and then separately download the 1.25GB dataset on a PC, to be later transfered to the tablet. There was no way that I would be able to set him up in time, and no way that my dad could tackle it without my help; after-all he'd never used a tablet before.

So against my better judgement, I decided to give them a call and see if their attitude had changed at all since I last dealt with them. Unfortunately, it has not. Here's a transcript of the short call I made:

Woman: "SA Birding, hello?"
Me: "Hi there. My father is getting a tablet today and I'm heading there tonight to set it up. He has a very slow internet connection, is there any way that I can download the dataset now so that I can take it with me?"
Woman: "Nope."
Me: "..."
Woman: "...."
Me: "Oh... I understood that the dataset was a separate PC download, so can you not just give me a link or something?"
Woman: "Nope."
Me: "Hmmm. Okay, that's a real pity, you're SURE there's nothing you can do to help us out?"
Woman: "I'm sure."
Me: "Okay, thanks. Bye."

I wish that I could say that I embellished that transcript a bit, but that is quite literally how it went down. I hung up the phone absolutely livid! I spent the next half an hour trying to find a link to the dataset just so that I could call her back and throw it in her face, unfortunately without much luck. What I DID find though was that SA Birding actually will ship you a DVD with the dataset on it, FREE OF CHARGE! Might have been useful for the woman on the phone to mention that pearler! And if they supply it on DVD, why can't they supply me a download link for crying out loud?! Still, whatever reasons they may have cannot excuse the attitude and complete lack of sympathy for the situation.

So anyway, when I got to my folk's place that evening, we went through the long-winded process of buying the app and getting the dataset. Sure enough, after supplying my dad's Gmail address on the website, it spat out a bog standard URL that she could have QUITE easily provided to me on the phone if she had ANY willingness to help whatsoever.

If you are unfortunate enough to have decided that you want to buy this rip-off piece of software (the only Android app I've ever heard of where you need to buy it for each device you own - at a whopping R600 a pop) and you found this post because like me, you were looking for the dataset, please drop me a PM and I will GLADLY mail you the link so that I can save you the frustration that they have put me through.
 

Budza

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R600 app.

Just bought it for someone. Downloaded data, but am having trouble extracting it :(
 

Jola

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Is the App worth it ? Is it any better than the Sasol Birds App ?
 

BigAl-sa

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I reckon it's easier to page through a book when you're in the bush, rather than trying to see what's on an LCD screen.
 

StNick

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Is the App worth it ? Is it any better than the Sasol Birds App ?

Unfortunately I can't answer that yet since there was no way I could have downloaded 1.25GB last night whilst at my folk's place. I downloaded the dataset at home, and this evening we will resume the whole saga once more.
 

Budza

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Out of interest, why have they not been upgraded to a 1Mb connection?
 

StNick

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Good question. Actually, for all I know, they HAVE been upgraded; I will ask him to check. Wouldn't have made much difference in the end as he's with Cybersmart and according to their control panel, he has 1.2GB remaining for the month.
 

mas

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Is the App worth it ? Is it any better than the Sasol Birds App ?

Im using the sasol one and its great, except for the smart search feature which doesn't work well, and its cheaper then the roberts one. :)
 

Rob123

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As a side note, I wanted to try the eTrees app from mydigitalearth.com so I bought it from the play store but couldn't download the additional data (how are we supposed to test within the 15 min limit if the additional download takes 40 mins....??) so I tried to use the Refund option but it wasn't showing (only Uninstall and Open) so I emailed them and they promptly gave me a refund the next day.

Great service compared to what you experienced. I am very happy to buy from these guys considering their amazing response times.
 

StNick

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Just updating this thread as I'm still getting requests via PM for the link to the dataset. I don't have it anymore I'm afraid, and I believe it has since been updated anyway. If you're looking to download the dataset separately, you'll need to contact SA Birding. It has been a year and a half since my original post so I would to think that the situation has improved and you'll find them to be more helpful than I did.

One thing that HAS changed, I believe, is that you can now install the app on your phone AND your tablet without purchasing twice. Good on them for that.
 

omniwatch

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I agree to all who complain about the service at SA Birding. However the program is good, may be the best I know off. If they can just do something about their service.

Where else in the world do you have to deregister your program before your PC crashes to be able to reload a program on a new PC? As if you would know when disaster is going to strike.

Well that is how I feel now. Cannot use my program because I must wait for them to deregister me.
 
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