SA: Electricity companies to power up phonelines

MaD

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Electricity companies to power up phonelines

January 25 2005 at 07:14PM

By Rebecca Harrison

South African electricity companies plan to launch a phone service to rival state-controlled Telkom that could get landline access to almost all SA's poor at a third of current prices.

The new service would deliver voice and data via existing electricity lines and local companies hope to launch the technology in the Johannesburg and Pretoria area in the second quarter of 2005, the head of Johannesburg City Power's telecoms business said on Tuesday.

"This could be a major leap in providing underserviced areas in (poor) communities with telecoms at an excellent rate," Teddy Naidoo told an African Telecoms Summit in Johannesburg.

Although pay-as-you-go mobile phones are common even among the poorest South Africans, only one in 10 people have a landline due to the high prices charged by the fixed-line monopoly, and poor infrastructure.

Cheaper phone and Internet access would help slim the economic divide and slash the cost of doing business in South Africa, encouraging foreign investors.

Electricity firms say many more people in rural areas and townships would be able to get their first landline if they could access voice and data via power lines, which connect about 98 percent of households.

The companies, which will own the key last mile of power connections to people's homes under an industry shake-up later this year, are also considering leasing their power lines to Telkom and to a planned second national operator, although they reckon they would make more money running the network themselves.

The so-called powerline communications (PLC) technology has been tested and operated in a number of countries but has yet to catch on in a big way. One of the first trials was undertaken by Germany's RWE .

Doubts about the technology and competition from other ways of delivering broadband and phone services have hampered its development.

Industry website www.plcforum.org says more than 80 PLC schemes in more than 40 countries have been launched, the more important ones including France's Electricite de France, Portugal's EDP, Endesa and Iberdrola in Spain and Britain's Scottish and Southern.

A South African official said the technology currently being tested was supplied by Japan's Mitsubishi Electric. Switzerland's Ascom is among other manufacturers of powerline equipment.

City Power hopes that other regions will quickly follow Johannesburg and Pretoria, meaning they could eventually band together to offer a national network without relying on Telkom for long-distance calls.

Naidoo could not put a figure on the cost of the roll-out but said customers would pay a R1 000 connection fee.

A licensing expert at communications regulator ICASA said electricity firms would in theory be allowed to run a commercial network after deregulation of the industry next month, but that it would need a licence first.

Naidoo said it was in the process of applying for a VANS (value added network service provider) licence but would need to wait until the exact terms of the February shake-up were clear.

City Power reckons 150 000 customers in Johannesburg and 300 000 in Pretoria - around half of its current customer base - will either switch their phone line from Telkom or get a land line for the first time using the new service.

Initial estimates showed power companies could offer calls at roughly a third of Telkom's current tariffs, Naidoo said.

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I would start worrying if I were Telkom - just about 98% of the country has electricity compared to Telkom's pathetic little ~5%.. I will gladly pay the R1,000 installation fee knowing that my rates will be lower - and that these are people who actually *want* to empower SA people by providing them with affordable communications. Go go go let's get this up and running..! :)
 

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EDIT - linky : http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=14&click_id=116&art_id=qw1106663940224B234


"This could be a major leap in providing underserviced areas in (poor) communities with telecoms at an excellent rate," Teddy Naidoo told an African Telecoms Summit in Johannesburg.

Naidoo could not put a figure on the cost of the roll-out but said customers would pay a R1 000 connection fee.

I hope it catches on, but something bothers me about the above two quotes - I'm sure you can see what it is !

The connection fee thing is seemingly getting entrenched in the telecomms industry over here. A R1000 connection fee is NOT something the poor can afford to get connected.

I would imagine they would do a contractual arrangement to spread that cost, but still, it's excessive.

Anyway, this is all heresay at the moment and the possibilities are incredible.
The informal telecommunications sector would just boom - staring with the roadside "barber" telephone shops, currently running on cellular tech. (or line clipping ...)
Heck, a pay-as-you-go landline service could be setup.
Internet access that bridges the digital divide.
Imagine a low budget hosting project with cheap networking between houses, internet provided via the powerlines. Just add a second hand cheap/free Linux PC for R500 all inc. and your a-for-away !

One step further - a wireless base station on every other Eskom powerline running a WiMax type tech - oh yeah = instant countrywide network for ANY data/voice requirements Anywhere !

Welcome to the internet Africa :D

As Eskom is a big player with government involvement, I'd say we could see it happen over here.
 
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This must be the greatest news ive heard in the past six months..
BUUUT guess who still has their greedy little fingers on the SAT-3/SAFE/WASC submarine cables? I spose itl still be better seeing as the major factor of cost in dsl is the phone line rental.
But then what/who stops telkom from increasing Bandwidth prices then? The government? I dont think so..
 

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Indeed Razer0, this is great news and if everything goes well, and I pray it does, we might actually be looking at a decrease in costs here and Telkom havening a little competition on their hands.

It will be interesting to see once Telkom has competition how low they are willing to drop their prices. Especially as they might take a sudden hit of someone else offering something superior for a third of the cost.( well, it had better be superior cause service and quality doesn't get any worse than with Telkom ).

The thought of Telkom watching their sky-rocketing profits start to shrivel up makes me squeel with happiness!
 

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Watch Telkom Bitch and moan about this.
Bring on court case to stop this.
*loads shot gun* "just try it Telkom"
 

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Oh Telkom will bemoan it. Indeed. I can just see the money moving around under the tables of government (from Telkom stakeholders) to get a better "understanding" from government.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Cheers
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And so it begins in earnest.
This is the first announcement that they have made that seems serious.
Don't we have power connections to other contries as well?
All they need to do is tap into the SAT3 cable from any of the other points in Africa and bypass Teklom completely!!!!
I feel so sorry for Teklom.
Watch those share prices carefully.
But remeber to buy shares from companies in other countries in Afrcia that have a direct link to the SAT-3 cable.

Ooooooooh - I feel good - drdrudrdruh.
 

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Yes please! ;) Broadband over powerline here we come! Let's all just hope that it happens!
 

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ICASA will have a problem with licensing this technology with rapid government agreement of their stance.

There is no way government (main shareholder) will allow the cash cow to be hassled by competition.

There's still billions of Rands profits to be made.

Oh and about the future of Electrity in this country.
http://www.capetown.gov.za/press/Newpress.asp?itemcode=987

I see black clouds on the horizon Could it be that certain suburbs could be charged extra in the form of 'Leased Electrical Lines" (what the hell if Telkom can do it)
In the future each RED region will be competing against the others with the objective of who can make the most profit.
The winners to receive very generous salaries.
Remember the minority have electricity and they are the ones with the cash. Sound familiar? I forget, but who owns Escom?
 

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Please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please let this be the answer to our prayers.
 

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I've played with some of the ethernet over power systems a few years ago and from what I recall they are far more finnicky than adsl systems. The technology also requires a fairly substantial investment in equipment by the power companies. But at least it'll be interesting to watch.
 

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This is the best news this year so far :)

Fixed line molopoly(Telkom ) VS electricity monopoly(Eskom)

monopoly vs monopoly !!!! what a great oxymoron !!!

Let the 2 monopolies ,destroy each other

We consumer have nothing to lose,and perhaps "kill two birds with one stone " everything to gain :)
 

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gooku said:
This is the best news this year so far :)

Fixed line molopoly(Telkom ) VS electricity monopoly(Eskom)

monopoly vs monopoly !!!! what a great oxymoron !!!

Let the 2 monopolies ,destroy each other

We consumer have nothing to lose,and perhaps "kill two birds with one stone " everything to gain :)

The difference being that Eskom has provided ZA with some of the cheapest electricity in the world. They are the exact anti-thesis of Telkom ... :cool:
 

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An economic system with 2 major players is called an oligopoly, and it ain't much better than a monopoly.

Nevertheless, this is extremely good news. When I first heard that Eskom was involved in the SNO, I thought this might happen. Why would the SNO want to operate over leased lines from Telkom when they can run over an independent, and far more extensive network like the national power grid.

Apparenly this kind of PLC technology can get up to 45MBit/s so its not broadband-limited at all. It just costs quite a bit for the operator to get the required hardware. Eskom has that kind of cash though.

Great News!!!! Telkom is sure to sweat over this.
 

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kaspaas said:
I won't be the fool to test new technology at any fee or setup costs :)

I think the existence of MyADSL forum will force service providers to test & debug product offerings
much more than ever before releasing them to the market.
 

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DVDA said:
Why would the SNO want to operate over leased lines from Telkom when they can run over an independent, and far more extensive network like the national power grid.

The infrastructure is there IOW, any services can be strung along the routes those power lines follow ! - instant Base Stations !
 

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There is work afoot to fix the powerline data transmission problems. Some of the problems include (as per http://www.lonestarbroadband.org/technology/powerlines.htm):

Powerline solutions, like phoneline solutions, are unintentional radiators. Emissions can potentially cause interference with radio, television, community antenna television, telephone and DSL services.

Data signal disruption due to noise interference and signal loss over longer distances.

Problems with bypassing transformers.

From a market perspective, powerline networking technology faces potentially serious competition from wireless local area network (WLAN) solutions.

Providers would still need to come up with with a “last mile” solution for hooking up individual subscribers to the neighborhood transformer. That connection could be through cable or phone lines, or wireless.

Powerline's maximum access speed is shared with all users connected to the same local network station. The more people that are simultaneously on the Internet, the lower the speed obtained.

The technology is still in the developmental stage. I know that the US en Europe are actually working on a standard for this tech and it is regarded as a transmission solution. There is a lot of money being thrown at the problems and I believe it can be sorted.

Who knows? If any country can sort it, it is SA. We just need to avoid the red tape that usually enstrangles good causes like this. How often do we develop something here that ends up being used overseas because we are to stupid to impliment it. I am thinking RF product tags for instance. We develop the tech and then export it somewhere else. It is only now starting to surface here in SA.

:)

Cheers
Ant
 
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