SA: Electricity companies to power up phonelines

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So the last mile is from the neighbourhood transformer to your home. Everything before that is via the electricity. So the data goes onto the electricity from where?
From the SAT3 cable or can the data travel accross the whole of Africa on the power lines?
 
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shane101 said:
Yes please! ;) Broadband over powerline here we come! Let's all just hope that it happens!
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No please!

PLCC (what clown cloned the existing industrial term PLC - Programmable Logic Controller?) is not a good thing for Broadband, its a very very bad thing. These are last mile sollutions - we want fibre, not hacks.
 
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DVDA said:
Apparenly this kind of PLC technology can get up to 45MBit/s so its not broadband-limited at all. It just costs quite a bit for the operator to get the required hardware.
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Actualy that DOES make it broadband-limited! Its a bus network, meaning all points connected within it, untill switched onto some fibre or CATV is going to be all contented to 45MBit/s

As someone already said, no country has successfully implemented this as a broadband, or usefull data solution - and there are very defenite techincal and physical hurdles that just dont make it worth the hassel.
 
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Why not?

Karnaugh said:
No please!

PLCC (what clown cloned the existing industrial term PLC - Programmable Logic Controller?) is not a good thing for Broadband, its a very very bad thing. These are last mile sollutions - we want fibre, not hacks.
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If it's cheaper and quicker then why not implement it? Any hacks will do because let's face it, it's going to be years before SA has a full on fibre solution.
 
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SA has far more fibre than you'd know.

The point is, it isnt better, it isnt cheaper, and it certainly isnt quicker - why bother?
 
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Well I dont think he was saying that PLCC was quicker than fibre exactly.. anyway the point is, from a MAN/WAN pov, PLCC doesnt offer very much in terms of public broadband etc - it might make sense if you had old lines that needed coms to "last mile" areas, PLCC makes sense then because you already have some sort of a long haul infrastructure in place, and dont need much bandwidth.

However, said "Electricity companies" also run miles of dark fibre in their cables (since they are hollow).

Something to keep in mind. Eskom generates power - the government distributes it. We have no "Electricity companies" asside from Metro Electric. From what I hear, municipality would need to do alot of work and spend alot of money to bring most of the power grids to a standard usefull for PLCC - again, why bother? Why would our government want to undercut Telkom? Why do we want our government to undercut Telkom?

Sorry - from my professional opinion the article reeks of misinformation.
 
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If I can get a decent speed for a decent price they can count me in, hack or no hack, if it works and it suits my pocket i'm there.
 
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Indranet ( http://www.indranet.co.nz/) are here guys, talking to all the right people, and no, there is no requirement to use ANY of Telkom's infrastructure at all. (SHOCK). Read more about actual implementations here... http://www.indranet.co.nz/markets/frame_overview.html and here http://www.indranet.co.nz/markets/customer_experience.html and here http://www.indranet.co.nz/markets/broadband.html

Because it is a mesh technology, it effectively builds its own infrastructure over a relatively short period of time.
Indranet say " A basic broadband connection should deliver 2 Mb/s symmetrical, always-on, uncapped, and be capable of low latency. " and they have based their offering on providing exactly that.

BTW, ESKOM have a fibre optic network that far surpasses Telkom's AND they manage to manage last 10 mile delivery.....no medals for spotting the reality for Telkom revenues if this flies (or Eskom for that matter) ....so add this scenario to the fray ... Indranet uses radio (yes radio) waves to build the mesh. This means that a convergence bill has to be in place in order to regulate this kind of technology. In order for Indranet to be trialled prior to this new bill, it needs licencing from the broadcasting authority, unless of course it is implemented on a private campus and the technology doesn't cross a national road. Enter Megawatt Park and all the Eskom housing estates peppered through the country. heh heh :p actually, I'm going to invite the chap who knows most about this and what's happening to join the Forum and comment on whats going on.

Furthermore, I think we as a consumer body can add collective weight to companies such as this in getting their products trialled at least so that we as the consumers can CHOOSE the connectivity technologies that best suit our common needs. If the technology is real and working elsewhere, why not for us too? Personally I think Mesh Technologies are the best solution to SA's requirements and it gets my big THUMBS UP!
 
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Thanks 4 the heads-up louisp. Me wonders why this PLC is taking soooooo damn long.
 
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Thanks 4 the heads-up louisp. Me wonders why this PLC is taking soooooo damn long.
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Stoke, its simple. Telkom are still figuring out how they can keep the giants share of the action (revenue) and Poison Ivy is still trying to figure out what it all means (no minister, your kettle wont be able to play nokia ringtones.)
 
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Me agree'z wholehartedly that a Mesh technology is a good solution, cos it builds on itself.
Patience is r wearing thin.
 
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... and Poison Ivy is still trying to figure out what it all means (no minister, your kettle wont be able to play nokia ringtones.)
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lol. :p
 
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stoke said:
Thanks 4 the heads-up louisp. Me wonders why this PLC is taking soooooo damn long.
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Because its an expensive and ultimately useless load of nonsense, read my above posts.
 
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Well you better mail them and tell them to stop.. they're testing it all over the place.
 
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You've got substantial proof of this, of course?

I've had lots of first hand reports of people who did do extensive testing, for Eskom and Telkom and all the short answers i've gotten amounted to it being a waste of time.
 
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Yes but so were the first attempts at developing the photo copier
 
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