SA eyes Chinese firms for 2010

CeeBee

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hehehe! :) so much for creating local jobs, improving the local buzinesses & economy....
this coming from the same people who want to cr@p all over the chinese for ruining the local clothing industry.... suppose we'll get some nice discount on authentic SA t-shirts and sports clothing, "made in Ch". :D
Does it sound like there is a crack in the "we're ahead of schedule" proclamation?
and are we sure about the chinese companies' BEE acreditation, doing business with the gov & all? we don't want dual standards tho :rolleyes:
 

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some interesting related reading :)

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=68&art_id=qw1170317160274B252

Numerous Zambians accuse Chinese firms of paying low wages, ignoring basic safety standards and bringing in scores of foreign nationals to take up jobs supposedly reserved for locals.
"The Chinese investors don't care about workers. They just want money," said John Chalwe, a worker at the recently closed Zambia-China Mulungushi Textiles
AHAHAHAAAAHHAHAHAAH!!!

And another...
http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=297923&area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__business/


BWAHAHAHAAAHHAHHAAAHHAHHAHAAAAAHH!!!!!
"Chinese people can stand very hard work. This is a cultural difference. Chinese people work until they finish and then rest. Here they are like the British, they work according to a plan. They have tea breaks and a lot of days off. For our construction company that means it costs a lot more," he said.
 

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I don't fully get the logic too. I can understand bringing skills to augment the shortage here but cannot understand the logic about those skills coming cheaper.

Maybe, their assumption is that more tenders/bids will give a better realistic value of the projects. Because locally, we only have a handful of construction companies, it seems the feeling is that the local companies are overcharging.

We are partially involved in the Gautrain 3-D geotechnical design and modelling of underground workings incl stations. Maybe we should up the costs a little bit....:p since there's skills shortage.
 

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Seriously though, I'm surprised the chinese didn't offer to provide some "free" labour in exchange for first option on some of our steel and coal reserves.
 

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I personally think that chinese people know their work, they just don't care about marketing or they don't have resources and abilities to do marketing. we south africans on the other hand, know all about marketing but not much about the work particularly at hand (construction of stadiums).

which one would we rather have, over budgeted contruction performed late and not in line with the specifications or quality stadiums build by the chinese who have experince in similar works and have done it across the world.

i do think that it's a good bussiness move by south africa. I work for a construction company and we are not bidding for any construction work, we'll let the chinese do what they know best and join them at a later stage when similar work to what we have done arises. it's just a pity china was chosen instead of maybe any european country, south africans just don't like chinese and that's probably why this doesn't make sense.
 

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Why do you say South Africans don't like Chinese? There's already a sizable Chinese minority here.
 

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I personally think that chinese people know their work, they just don't care about marketing or they don't have resources and abilities to do marketing. we south africans on the other hand, know all about marketing but not much about the work particularly at hand (construction of stadiums).

which one would we rather have, over budgeted contruction performed late and not in line with the specifications or quality stadiums build by the chinese who have experince in similar works and have done it across the world.
Because now all that money that was going to benefit SA - or so we were told - will be heading out of the country to our new colonial masters.

Like CeeBee said, what exactly are these companies BEE accreditations?
 

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Because now all that money that was going to benefit SA - or so we were told - will be heading out of the country to our new colonial masters.

Like CeeBee said, what exactly are these companies BEE accreditations?
it's a matter of what would we rather have!, i'm not chinese by any chance, just wanted to be a voice of reason.

the chinese we'll not be taking over S.A, they are just bringing over their expertise, which is greatly needed at the moment since we are running out of time.
 

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the ANC is just quickly going to pass some new law, implementing CEE (Chinese Employment Equity) then the Chinese firms can easily operate here...
 

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Sad thing is SA used to know their work when it came to engineering and construction. After all we built the Cohorra Bassa dam / hydro electric facility and the Lesotho Highlands Water Project - both construction feats of note at the time (and porbably still today)
 

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ja, but that was the white engineers and the ANC would rather have Chinese build the stadiums than using local white South Africans to do it...eish donner...
 

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... and of course those engineers are now in London / Perth / New York ...
 

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China is our newest biggest bestest pal ever.

We showed that with our 'inaugural' vote at the UN, when we sided with China and effectively condemned the people of Myanmar (Burma) to be subjected to further human rights abuses, instead of upholding human rights and diginity, you know, like that constitution of ours so boldly prescribes for us lucky few.
Another proud moment for the ANC. ;)

http://witsmun.blogspot.com/2007/01/sas-inaugural-vote-on-security-council.html
http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=296241&area=/insight/insight__international/

China industry can deliver the quality and the goods and more importantly do it at a better price.
Dealing with them as well will certainly make it easier to avoid nasty little 'Shaik' type incidents from popping up in the future.
They are just as crooked as our lot.
 

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Sad thing is SA used to know their work when it came to engineering and construction. After all we built the Cohorra Bassa dam / hydro electric facility and the Lesotho Highlands Water Project - both construction feats of note at the time (and porbably still today)
it's a matter of time, money, resouces and work on similar projects in the past, when it comes to construction of stadiums, what has S.A constructed...
FNB:eek:
not good enough!
 
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