SA must take tougher stance on Russia's Ukraine invasion - US

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DreamKing said:
to be fair,. a government telling lies, hiding behind civilians, push civilians pick gun to join the war, restrict men to leave the country, condemn anyone doesn't support them ....... etc

that is enough for me to classify them as evil.
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You should ease up on that Putin propaganda.
 
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If we're going to have the experience of a Third World country, then can we please at least have the benefit of being non-aligned.
 
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...who will invest more? The West (Europe/America/Australia/Japan/NZ etc) or Russia?

If they side with the West, China's going to call in ALL of it's favours! And essentially bankrupt this country. As if Russia has RSA's best interests at heart.
 
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km2 said:
If we're going to have the experience of a Third World country, then can we please at least have the benefit of being non-aligned.
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1st, 2nd and 3rd world ended with the Cold War. Now we have Developed and Emerging markets. Or in SAs case, submerging.

I think we shouldn't pick a side. Maybe later, but hopefully never.
 
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Nicodeamus said:
If wheat prices increase as they are currently we will have another revolution.
SA made good money of WW2. Our coal is already up, platinum will increase etc.

Russia produces a lot of commodities that we also have. So does Ukraine

So why get involved in a war when neutrality actually benefits us?
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We can get rid of our useless military force. Less salaries to pay. We should send our whole military in. Including the Vets and the Reservests...That would show them.
 
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The EU still imports billions of cubic meters of gas from Russia, yet a $hithole country with a $hithole economy with its $hithole amounts of Russian imports is the problem.


There was nothing wrong with the UN resolution against Russia, if you read the text, it would end the conflict if it were abided by:
Welcoming the continued efforts by the Secretary-General and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe and other international and regional organizations to support de-escalation of the situation with respect to Ukraine, and encouraging continued dialogue,

1. Reaffirms its commitment to the sovereignty, independence, unity and territorial integrity of Ukraine within its internationally recognized borders, extending to its territorial waters;

2. Deplores in the strongest terms the aggression by the Russian Federation against Ukraine in violation of Article 2 (4) of the Charter;

3. Demands that the Russian Federation immediately cease its use of force against Ukraine and to refrain from any further unlawful threat or use of force against any Member State;

4. Also demands that the Russian Federation immediately, completely and unconditionally withdraw all of its military forces from the territory of Ukraine within its internationally recognized borders;

5.  Deplores the 21 February 2022 decision by the Russian Federation related to the status of certain areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine as a violation of the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine and inconsistent with the principles of the Charter;

6. Demands that the Russian Federation immediately and unconditionally reverse the decision related to the status of certain areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine;

7. Calls upon the Russian Federation to abide by the principles set forth in the Charter and the Declaration on Friendly Relations; 1

8. Calls upon the parties to abide by the Minsk agreements and to work constructively in relevant international frameworks, including in the Normandy format and Trilateral Contact Group, towards their full implementation;

9. Demands all parties to allow safe and unfettered passage to destinations outside of Ukraine and to facilitate the rapid, safe and unhindered access to humanitarian assistance for those in need in Ukraine, to protect civilians, including humanitarian personnel and persons in vulnerable situations, including women, older persons, persons with disabilities, indigenous peoples, migrants and children, and to respect human rights;

10. Deplores the involvement of Belarus in this unlawful use of force against Ukraine, and calls upon it to abide by its international obligations;

11. Condemns all violations of international humanitarian law and violations and abuses of human rights, and calls upon all parties to respect strictly the relevant provisions of international humanitarian law, including the Geneva Conventions of 1949 and Additional Protocol I thereto of 1977, 3 as applicable, and to respect international human rights law, and in this regard further demands that all parties ensure respect for and the protection of all medical personnel and humanitarian personnel exclusively engaged in medical duties, their means of transport and equipment, as well as hospitals and other medical facilities;

12. Demands that all parties fully comply with their obligations under international humanitarian law to spare the civilian population, and civilian objects, refraining from attacking, destroying, removing or rendering useless objects indispensable to the survival of the civilian population, and respecting and protecting humanitarian personnel and consignments used for humanitarian relief operations;

13. Requests the Emergency Relief Coordinator to provide, 30 days after the adoption of the present resolution, a report on the humanitarian situation in Ukraine and on the humanitarian response;

14. Urges the immediate peaceful resolution of the conflict between the Russian Federation and Ukraine through political dialogue, negotiations, mediation and other peaceful means;

15. Welcomes and urges the continued efforts by the Secretary-General, Member States, the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe and other international and regional organizations to support the de-escalation of the current situation, as well as the efforts of the United Nations, including of the United Nations Crisis Coordinator for Ukraine, and humanitarian organizations to respond to the humanitarian and refugee crisis that the aggression by the Russian Federation has created;

16. Decides to adjourn the eleventh emergency special session of the General Assembly temporarily and to authorize the President of the General Assembly to resume its meetings upon request from Member States.
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dualmeister said:
I wish Zuma would shut the hell up. He still thinks that he is President or something :X3:



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Zuma and Putin are BFF's

Zuma is still a massive threat and a proper violent coup attempt is still not out of the question, Russia of course will provide hardware support when the time comes.
 
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