SA must take tougher stance on Russia's Ukraine invasion - US

TEXTILE GUY

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With the ANC, the issue of picking sides or rather - the ANC coming clean on where its stands is the norm and taking any tough action well, it has a track record.

EU Ambassador to South Africa Riina Kionka also expressed frustration with South Africa’s position.

“Sitting on the fence is not an option,” she said in an emailed response to questions. “Once we figure out what the South African government stance really is” the EU will consider what the repercussions are, she said.

Put the Russia aside for a moment and consider these ......

Zuma, presidency - how long did it take for the ANC to come out and admit that he was bad for SA?
How long did it take them to make a statement on Ace Magashule?
How did the ANC deal with Robert Mugabe?
What was their take on Al-Basheer?
How long before they acted on the Guptas?
How did they deal with Nobel Laureate the Dalai Lama?
Lest I remind you, ANC sat on the fence with Syria and abstained on the vote on possible sanctions.

The effects of this flip flopping and double speak can be felt closer to home too.

SA has an all inclusive constitution and is non racial democracy, that just happens to discriminate against certain race groups.
Property rights are enshrined in the constitution - but the push to implement land expropriation without compensation is looming, so how enshrined are those property rights?

On the other hand, India abstained in the UN, but have made clear their position on why they abstained, and how they intend to act, even if it isn't what the US wants to hear.

The ANC fence sitting is the issue.
 

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Dear SA Gov,

**** around, find out.

It would be hilarious to see the West start sanctioning and seizing assets of SA oligarchs/tendepreneurs.
 

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Being non-aligned is strategic leverage. A weak country like SA should not abandon leverage over someone else's geostrategic chess. Erdogan, who is no moral paragon, has realised this and played a shrewd game for years. Ultimately, your moral outrage is simply fuel for the utterly soulless and psychopathic transnational MIC that will use it as it pleases.
(And, Minsk II went absolutely nowhere in 6 years despite Russia's agreement...)
 

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so has any previous conflict over the past few decades put this much pressure on alignment.. ?

ive never noticed if there was.
 

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Dear SA Gov,

**** around, find out.

It would be hilarious to see the West start sanctioning and seizing assets of SA oligarchs/tendepreneurs.
Not really. Cause the only people that get #&*-'d are normal South Africans.
Their closed stock market and collapsed Ruble is a tragedy for normal citizens.
They never seem to stop at sanctioning a few and rather end up crushing the whole country.
 

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The mere fact that this bunch takes pride in calling each other "comrades" every chance they get should be enough of a hint at where their allegiance lies. On the other hand they want that sweet IMF monies so they are in a bit of a predicament.

Does the lap dog bite its master, or does it wait for the inevitable free poison vienna to be thrown over the wall :cautious:
 

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The EU still imports billions of cubic meters of gas from Russia, yet a $hithole country with a $hithole economy with its $hithole amounts of Russian imports is the problem.


There was nothing wrong with the UN resolution against Russia, if you read the text, it would end the conflict if it were abided by:
Perhaps one day SA will make its mind up...

It still needs to go to tender, we have to count the application fees, accept the proposal in writing which takes a few weeks, it then needs to get sub-contracted out to various parties, returned and sub-contracted again due to poor workmanship. Oh, and did we not forget, it's over budget too so a few mill down the loo too.

Just give us some time folks, please be patient and understanding while South Africa works on this.
 

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Does Russia know where SA is and does it even care ??
 

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so has any previous conflict over the past few decades put this much pressure on alignment.. ?

ive never noticed if there was.
Major difference this time.... explosive combo of whte, not Russian and not Muslim..... the other people of the Middle East, Africa and Eastern Europe did not matter.... these one's are very important the other one's were trash no one cared about.

The leftists being racist and bigoted basically.
 
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