SA Schools to be ‘50% black, 50% white’

[Herr der Verboten]

Sure sure, and all animals are "taught" to avoid other animals that are not the same species....

That comment, and whoever uses it, can fvck right off....

Association or avoidance by instinct isn't quite the same as a parent sitting down teaching a child to hate someone or something.

 

[Zophos]

Association or avoidance by instinct isn't quite the same as a parent sitting down teaching a child to hate someone or something.

Fair point.

But is avoidance by instinct racist?

Also, and maybe to @HunterNW 's comment, if a child is not taught, but chooses not to associated with a group of people, without hate, is this still racist?

 

[HunterNW]

Fair point.

But is avoidance by instinct racist?

Also, and maybe to @HunterNW 's comment, if a child is not taught, but chooses not to associated with a group of people, without hate, is this still racist?

No. But the majority in SA will say YES.

 

[Herr der Verboten]

Fair point.

But is avoidance by instinct racist?

Also, and maybe to @HunterNW 's comment, if a child is not taught, but chooses not to associated with a group of people, without hate, is this still racist?

Real question here is is there enough maturity to rationally and intellectually discuss it.

 

[TelkomUseless]

Are the rural schools empty? And would you take your child there?

Okay.. if the schools are not empty makes sense. Build then more.

Why would I want to take my kid to rural school? It would cost more money to transport...

 

[Herr der Verboten]

Let me get this straight. You have a 1/10 ratio of white to black people in SA and you are wanting to promote equality by forcing schools to have equal white vs black?

That's what she said.

 

[Mista_Mobsta]

Yes but if Afrikaans kids get that choice, every kid should, then you have more than 13 languages and that means more than 13 cultures that never interact with anyone but their own.

It's a tough one as you are 100% right - each parent should have the choice regarding where their kids are educated. The problem we have here is a minister that is utterly incompetent by recommending moronic 'solutions' to difficult problems. Our esteemed trough feeders have not exercised the intellectual foresight needed to build new schools, ensure teachers have better salaries and ensure policies are in place to elevate the educational standard in SA.

 

[Zophos]

Real question here is is there enough maturity to rationally and intellectually discuss it.

Yeah, probably not.

At some point we, as South Africans (or humans for that matter), learn some form of tolerance due to co-existing with people of different views/race/whatever.

If we can focus on this tolerance rather than the differences we have, we will be better off in the long run.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Real question here is is there enough maturity to rationally and intellectually discuss it.

Forget that. I've tried to rationally, honestly and intellectually discuss apartheid on MyBB. The crucifixion gang was baying for blood at the door.

 

[AstroTurf]

It's a tough one as you are 100% right - each parent should have the choice regarding where their kids are educated. The problem we have here is a minister that is utterly incompetent by recommending moronic 'solutions' to difficult problems. Our esteemed trough feeders have not exercised the intellectual foresight needed to build new schools, ensure teachers have better salaries and ensure policies are in place to elevate the educational standard in SA.

I agree 100% with everything you said.

Personally think Security, Education and health should be the top priorities of every government but politicians think politicians should be.

 

[TelkomUseless]

Yeah, probably not.

At some point we, as South Africans (or humans for that matter), learn some form of tolerance due to co-existing with people of different views/race/whatever.

If we can focus on this tolerance rather than the differences we have, we will be better off in the long run.

Yip!

 

[BeerIsNotGood...]

Happened to the primary school my daughter was in, happening to the school my son is in.

Afrikaans kids are isolationist, they stick to their own. It's not their fault, it's their parent's culture rubbing off.

And sure, separate schools by language, I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

Lol and others don't?

tsek.

 

[TheChamp]

Okay.. if the schools are not empty makes sense. Build then more.

Why would I want to take my kid to rural school? It would cost more money to transport...

I was just wondering since you were asking why nobody wants to go to those schools.

 

[Mista_Mobsta]

I agree 100% with everything you said.

Personally think Security, Education and health should be the top priorities of every government but politicians think politicians should be.

Inevitably what will happen is the following:

Govt will target more 'Model C' schools for forced integration to dual-medium schools. These Model C schools are already packed to the brim which means a proportion of kids will be forced out of the school due to the integration over a specific time period. This will lead to an even bigger demand for private schooling as parents shun the integration system in favor of a system that doesn't leave your child vulnerable to an algorithm that decides where they are forced to go to school.

Should Afrikaans only schools have adequate space, then sure, there is a case to be made for dual-medium etc but the government has a horrific track record of implementation of this scenario. Reminds me of what happened in that debacle between Lesufi and Hoerskool Overvaal:

Lesufi's comments come a day after the Constitutional Court, in a unanimous judgment, turned down his appeal of an earlier ruling by the Pretoria High Court which stopped him from forcing Hoërskool Overvaal to enrol 55 English-speaking pupils.

The Afrikaans medium high school made headlines at the beginning of the 2018 school year after the 55 English pupils were denied enrollment. The school said it was full and also could not afford to hire English teachers for the group of students.

On Wednesday, the Constitutional Court ruled that Lesufi had not given enough consideration on whether neighbouring English medium schools such as General Smuts and Phoenix high schools, which both fall in the same feeder zone as Hoërskool Overvaal, had enough capacity to admit the pupils.

In a nutshell, there is nothing wrong with any school that decides its ONLY method of education is based on one specific language. It would be wonderful to see more Xhosa/Zulu/Sesotho/Setswana etc only schools, given the fact that they can produce learners that can easily integrate and compete in the global scene! My point is that the Government should be extremely careful in how they push a certain narrative in an environment where the security of education is more important than ever in SA!

 

[TelkomUseless]

I was just wondering since you were asking why nobody wants to go to those schools.

You always hear about children being bussed in. Then if there are so many children why has government not build more schools to accommodate them ?

 

[TheChamp]

You always hear about children being bussed in. Then if there are so many children why has government not build more schools to accommodate them ?

They should, no idea why they aren't.

 

[AstroTurf]

Lol and others don't?

tsek.

I am sure some do, it takes all kinds.

 

[AstroTurf]

You always hear about children being bussed in. Then if there are so many children why has government not build more schools to accommodate them ?

I agree with this completely.

The problem lies fully with government as it stands today.

Where we live we see all the security estates and matchbox through to 4 room houses (not to mention the squatter camps) being built getting closer and closer almost every day but at best you see a prefab school or two pop up to accommodate, usually not even that.

So you end up with areas that have a huge population, giant shopping malls and the only education is either minimal or private, same for health care. No new hospitals, just a random day clinic behind a police station or municipal building when the area is "lucky".

 

[GrootVoet]

You always hear about children being bussed in. Then if there are so many children why has government not build more schools to accommodate them ?

Because the ANC is in charge and the ANC is fu*ing useless.

 

[TelkomUseless]

Because the ANC is in charge and the ANC is fu*ing useless.

Aint that the truth.

Instead of building schools etc, they rather loot.