Sandy Hook: Alex Jones loses case over 'hoax' remarks

[Kieppie]

Tribalism, whataboutism and a pinch of victimhood.

/chef’s kiss.

Wouldn't expect anything different from you Greggy...

 

[greg0205]

Wouldn't expect anything different from you Greggy...

And I haven’t even played the ‘cry more’ card yet.

Anyway…

Cry more.

 

[greg0205]

So people losing their mind and saying that Jones will be paying the $40 million whatever, when it reality he'll apparently only be paying $750k-$950k because of Texas law.
I guess we'll find out in the next few days.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1555571093636878338

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1555571784187101184

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1555578243520073731

See my post #7, and don't post any victory dances just yet.

This is just the first case in TX, there's another coming, as well as a third case in Connecticut.

 

[Kieppie]

And I haven’t even played the ‘cry more’ card yet.

Anyway…

Cry more.

Ah we're doing this now....
Guess you're "triggered"

Going from actual solutions to juvenile insults in 2 posts...

 

[greg0205]

Ah we're doing this now....
Guess you're "triggered"

Going from actual solutions to juvenile insults in 2 posts...

We’ve been back and forth more than enough for you to know when I’m having a laugh, Kieps, but if you need to tell yourself porkie pies to feel better, I won’t stop you.

 

[Kieppie]

We’ve been back and forth more than enough for you to know when I’m having a laugh, Kieps, but if you need to tell yourself porkie pies to feel better, I won’t stop you.

Yes which is why I expected you to deflect away from an actual solution. And you delivered...

 

[Kieppie]

See my post #7, and don't post any victory dances just yet.

This is just the first case in TX, there's another coming, as well as a third case in Connecticut.

Based off of the opinion of that $270M? Sheesh that's laughable. Although apparently many have gobbled that up...

From an ABC article

“That number represents, in my opinion, a value of a net worth,

outlining a single day's gross revenue of $800,000 from selling vitamin supplements and other products through his website, which would approach nearly $300 million in a year

So opinions and bad understanding. Sadly that's not how the real world works. Then again it makes for nice headlines, and as we already established lucrative clicks.

We'll get a proper estimate during the bankruptcy proceedings. As that will involve proper forensic accounting.
So best you follow your own advice?

 

[Vorastra]

See my post #7, and don't post any victory dances just yet.

This is just the first case in TX, there's another coming, as well as a third case in Connecticut.

I'm only talking about the Texas case. I know there's one in Connecticut or something.

 

[greg0205]

Yes which is why I expected you to deflect away from an actual solution. And you delivered...

The solution to Alex Jones’ lies was streamed live from a TX court for the world to see.

The solution is right there, and it’s the US court system.

The MSM has nothing to do with it… The Covington kid has nothing to do with it… Kyle Rittenhouse has nothing to do with it.

Those are your deflections.

Still, even if I entertain your deflection, one man is on the hook for nearly $50 million (so far); another lost his defamation case against the media and that’s where it will end; and the third is now popping up on Tucker’s show after an acquittal on murder charges after shooting two people.

The courts worked.

You don’t like the way it’s working with Alex, and I don’t like the way it worked with Kyle.

Too bad.

Those are the breaks.

 

[greg0205]

I'm only talking about the Texas case. I know there's one in Connecticut or something.

There’s another in Texas coming up too… Pozner and De La Rosa vs Alex Jones.

 

[Kieppie]

The solution to Alex Jones’ lies was streamed live from a TX court for the world to see.

The solution is right there, and it’s the US court system.

The MSM has nothing to do with it… The Covington kid has nothing to do with it… Kyle Rittenhouse has nothing to do with it.

Those are your deflections.

Still, even if I entertain your deflection, one man is on the hook for nearly $50 million (so far); another lost his defamation case against the media and that’s where it will end; and the third is now popping up on Tucker’s show after an acquittal on murder charges after shooting two people.

He didn't lose his cases though now did he. Only those more recent ones. The defense that decided the ruling was that it was their "opinion" at the time. Likewise AJ had his opinion at the time based on the information he received and already admitted he was wrong 7 years ago.
I guess you're arguing that established media houses deserve more protection?

Opinion | Why Alex Jones isn't the only one who lost big in the Sandy Hook verdict

This is not only a large blow to Jones, who has already filed for bankruptcy, but to other conspiracy-theory fomenters.

www.nbcnews.com

Pity they don't realise that this should apply to themselves as well..

The courts worked.

You don’t like the way it’s working with Alex, and I don’t like the way it worked with Kyle.

Too bad.

Those are the breaks.

You are unhappy with a verdict that all sane people agreed with? Says a lot...
One of the biggest concern the last couple of years is fake news. My "deflection" as you try to call it is a means to raise the standard for all news outlets and give tangible punitive damages for false stories. They won't be destroyed by it, but they will just not profit from it.
This is a win for everyone, yet somehow you're against this?

I'll wager a large sum of money that for most people the Sandy Hook case isn't so much about justice for the parents, but rather revenge against Jones. I mean he has said so many crazy things in his long career. Much of it turned out true, but then again spaghetti -> wall...
I found his early stories about Bohemian Grove and Epstein interesting. His friends take him seriously but not literally. His enemies take him literally but not seriously. Which is why people find him entertaining to watch on shows like Rogan. I'm actually surprised they managed to get him to answer yes/no questions during the hearing given his nature.
This case is a convenient cudgel and is demonstrably proven by the desire to never allow him to have a platform again. So back to my original statement, it's revenge not justice. He has now become the face of Sandy Hook more than the actual killer and it's to be expected that some families want to lash out at him. However he is much more than just this one incident and that is the problem...

Oh and sure courts work for the most part, but it's also extremely expensive. Having laws/frameworks in place to address false information would aid those that cannot launch defamation cases like these. Places like YouTube are a bit ahead of the curb by withholding ad-revenue when there are disputes about videos. Legacy media should start catching up

 

[HermeticAnarchist]

It is more than revenge. It is the silencing of anyone who goes against the Narrative.

 

[greg0205]

He didn't lose his cases though now did he. Only those more recent ones. The defense that decided the ruling was that it was their "opinion" at the time. Likewise AJ had his opinion at the time based on the information he received and already admitted he was wrong 7 years ago.
I guess you're arguing that established media houses deserve more protection?

Opinion | Why Alex Jones isn't the only one who lost big in the Sandy Hook verdict

This is not only a large blow to Jones, who has already filed for bankruptcy, but to other conspiracy-theory fomenters.

www.nbcnews.com

Pity they don't realise that this should apply to themselves as well..


You are unhappy with a verdict that all sane people agreed with? Says a lot...
One of the biggest concern the last couple of years is fake news. My "deflection" as you try to call it is a means to raise the standard for all news outlets and give tangible punitive damages for false stories. They won't be destroyed by it, but they will just not profit from it.
This is a win for everyone, yet somehow you're against this?

I'll wager a large sum of money that for most people the Sandy Hook case isn't so much about justice for the parents, but rather revenge against Jones. I mean he has said so many crazy things in his long career. Much of it turned out true, but then again spaghetti -> wall...
I found his early stories about Bohemian Grove and Epstein interesting. His friends take him seriously but not literally. His enemies take him literally but not seriously. Which is why people find him entertaining to watch on shows like Rogan. I'm actually surprised they managed to get him to answer yes/no questions during the hearing given his nature.
This case is a convenient cudgel and is demonstrably proven by the desire to never allow him to have a platform again. So back to my original statement, it's revenge not justice. He has now become the face of Sandy Hook more than the actual killer and it's to be expected that some families want to lash out at him. However he is much more than just this one incident and that is the problem...

Oh and sure courts work for the most part, but it's also extremely expensive. Having laws/frameworks in place to address false information would aid those that cannot launch defamation cases like these. Places like YouTube are a bit ahead of the curb by withholding ad-revenue when there are disputes about videos. Legacy media should start catching up

Oh, he lost. This week was to determine damages, damages the families are entitled to *because* he lost.

There is no grey area here.

The cases date back to 2018 and this is the last chapter, so I'm not sure what other cases you're talking about.

He done lost.

Also, the US has it's 1A protections for the media. That's how, based on the facts, Jones is up for $50m already and CNN et al are free and clear after the Covington kid sued them.

The rest, meh, you and I will always disagree that free speech should cover liars and grifters like Jones... The truth is that plenty folks can't distinguish between truth and BS and parasites like Jones exploiting that weakness is harmful.

Speech is free, but the consequences sure aren't, and Alex Jones is in the finding out stage.

You won't see it, but that's good for all of us.

 

[Kieppie]

Oh, he lost. This week was to determine damages, damages the families are entitled to *because* he lost.

There is no grey area here.

The cases date back to 2018 and this is the last chapter, so I'm not sure what other cases you're talking about.

He done lost.

I was referring to Sandmann's cases.
In Alex's case if the families can prove they suffered actual damages then that's fine. Although as I mentioned this has long since moved past a simple case of defamation.

Also, the US has it's 1A protections for the media. That's how, based on the facts, Jones is up for $50m already and CNN et al are free and clear after the Covington kid sued them.

CNN settled because they wanted to avoid the problems with discovery, the amount was never made public. At the moment not much separates Jones and other media, they just have a veneer of respectibility which has started to erode in recent years. There are many more cases such as this that are settled out of court with clauses to ensure secrecy.

The rest, meh, you and I will always disagree that free speech should cover liars and grifters like Jones... The truth is that plenty folks can't distinguish between truth and BS and parasites like Jones exploiting that weakness is harmful.

Speech is free, but the consequences sure aren't, and Alex Jones is in the finding out stage.

You won't see it, but that's good for all of us.

Yes because free speech isn't an either/or case. Should hold for individuals and media equally.

Your use of "grifter" to describe Jones also highlights your lack of knowledge about him, although his online persona is slightly exaggerated from his day to day behaviour. That's just his nature, he sees stories, finds overlapping ideas and connections, then stretch those to umpteenth degree. He always has and he always will. That makes him the opposite of a grifter. Otherwise I guess that would make all pundits, even those you watch, grifters? Then again it's par for the course to call someone a grifter if you don't agree with them. It's a low IQ rebuttal much like calling someone a nazi or racist.

Consequences are well and good if it is applied consistently, which through my own examples it is not. Then again I suppose CNN's ratings crashing and their subscription platform collapsing could be seen as a consequence?
Call me a progressive, but I'm against witch trials and this has become one, as did Rittenhouse. Stop letting your ideology or perceived morality dictate what outcomes should and shouldn't be.
If anything the fact that you view the Rittenhouse trial outcome unfavorably highlights the pernicious nature of false information in legacy media and the lasting harm it causes. You were lucky to escape the Smollet hoax, yet there were many that believed it and still do.

 

[Defonotaltaccount]

Wowser, $270 million from spreading conspiracies

Its mostly from his supplements.
Which are triple tested.
Only the best.
You should look into it.

Also didnt Remington go under due to SH ?
How much of these payouts actually end up in the hands of the family ?

 

[Grant]

It is more than revenge. It is the silencing of anyone who goes against the Narrative.

The lunatic Alex Jones narrative???

 

[Temujin]

Its mostly from his supplements.
Which are triple tested.
Only the best.
You should look into it.

Also didnt Remington go under due to SH ?
How much of these payouts actually end up in the hands of the family ?

Haven't followed the cases or looked into it other than the memes, but seems they won't see much, maybe a few mil if any. But, depends who they sued I guess, if him directly(which seems to be the case, correct me if I'm wrong), he's not worth much for a 'celeb', 10mil at most, if however they sued his company, well, thats a different story, it just increases company debt, which they can then just file bankruptcy, they get added to list and get the scraps left over, and he'll just start fresh on something new

 

[Defonotaltaccount]

Haven't followed the cases or looked into it other than the memes, but seems they won't see much, maybe a few mil if any. But, depends who they sued I guess, if him directly(which seems to be the case, correct me if I'm wrong), he's not worth much for a 'celeb', 10mil at most, if however they sued his company, well, thats a different story, it just increases company debt, which they can then just file bankruptcy, they get added to list and get the scraps left over, and he'll just start fresh on something new

This is what i thought.
Them lawyers always have an "out".

 

[Vrotappel]

The Fox "news" "anchors" and talk show hosts have a lot to answer for.
100% sponsored. At least 50% lies.
Worst - The unending spiels are against the best interests of everybody in that country. And it actually seeps out into the rest of the world.
Honestly that "news" service is a plague on this world.

Why are you bringing Fox into this? They are like 1000% more reliable than MSM.

 

[Bundu]

something very wrong with the world when people support nutjobs like Jones and Trump.... and others - what are you not seeing? or what do you want to happen?