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spiderz
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SAP? SA police or SAP like in Hr management tooly?
fivelza
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SAP as in the ERP system developed by SAP AG in Germany....some say it stands for (S)evere (A)gony and (P)ain. Sphila, I am not a SAP expert but have been through a global implementation and a huge upgrade project.
Refering to your previous thread as well http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=50300
You do not just become a SAP Expert, you would become a SAP consultant in one or possibly two of the modules/areas of SAP and then specialise in those modules. SAP cuts across an entire organisation and is also different per industry type i.e. financial institutions are different to manufacturing. There is obviously a lot of reading one can do and then attend course with SAP SA who aer based in Woodmean JHB. As you indicated in the other read, get involved in the SAP project at your company as you need to understand the way a company works to implement SAP properly and learn from the implementation partners/consultants.
Refering to your previous thread as well http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=50300
You do not just become a SAP Expert, you would become a SAP consultant in one or possibly two of the modules/areas of SAP and then specialise in those modules. SAP cuts across an entire organisation and is also different per industry type i.e. financial institutions are different to manufacturing. There is obviously a lot of reading one can do and then attend course with SAP SA who aer based in Woodmean JHB. As you indicated in the other read, get involved in the SAP project at your company as you need to understand the way a company works to implement SAP properly and learn from the implementation partners/consultants.
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LandyMan
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fivelza is correct, you are not going to become a SAP expert overnight, so to speak. There's alot you can do in the SAP environment, it all depends on what your qualifications/background is, and of course what you are interested in. If you are looking for pure technical, go for Basis. If you prefer programming, go into any area requiring ABAP development (reporting, Dialog programming, the list goes on). Then there is of course the functional side (which is more in line with business processes and the likes).
So basically you need to have a look at all the different areas within SAP, and which of those will tickle your fancy. Alot of consulting firms provide internship programs, and/or training environments for new consultants.
Try to NOT do the SAP academy (I think it is now about R80k for 6 weeks), and when you walk out of there, I can guarantee you you will know less than one of my consultants whos been doing 6 weeks of training outside of the Academy.
So basically you need to have a look at all the different areas within SAP, and which of those will tickle your fancy. Alot of consulting firms provide internship programs, and/or training environments for new consultants.
Try to NOT do the SAP academy (I think it is now about R80k for 6 weeks), and when you walk out of there, I can guarantee you you will know less than one of my consultants whos been doing 6 weeks of training outside of the Academy.
LandyMan
Honorary Master
how much is a low salary....
LandyMan
Honorary Master
All you needed then was to get yourself SAP_ALL authorisation ... never a dull moment
I would suggest just getting work at a company - I work for a company that specialize in SAP for the insurance industry (commissions, claims and collections and disbursements).
The people working here has studied B.Com, Engineering, economics etc. so there are no specific qualification required - a bit of technical savvy and common sense is a big plus though. Almost none of us have formal SAP training.
We are trying to hire people like crazy but we have trouble finding suitable candidates. We are not even looking for people with SAP experience - just some work experience, technical savvy, and eager to learn. They are surprising few and far between. If you PM me with a blurb/CV I can put you in touch with the HR people.
The people working here has studied B.Com, Engineering, economics etc. so there are no specific qualification required - a bit of technical savvy and common sense is a big plus though. Almost none of us have formal SAP training.
We are trying to hire people like crazy but we have trouble finding suitable candidates. We are not even looking for people with SAP experience - just some work experience, technical savvy, and eager to learn. They are surprising few and far between. If you PM me with a blurb/CV I can put you in touch with the HR people.
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LandyMan
Honorary Master
It is slightly different recruiting for a company using SAP, and recruiting for a company providing consulting services in SAP.
It will depend on the posters in this thread if they want to work in SAP at a company, or consult in SAP at clients.
The line is thinner than you might think. Some consultants might work for a consulting company but might spend all of their time at one specific client anyway. Half the people working at companies that run SAP are independent contractors.
My point being the best way forward is to get some exposure to SAP. Via a company that run SAP (because then a consulting company will poach you sooner or later if you are good) or with a consulting company.
I myself prefer a consulting company, because you get to travel and have your luggage stolen at OR Tambo.
My point being the best way forward is to get some exposure to SAP. Via a company that run SAP (because then a consulting company will poach you sooner or later if you are good) or with a consulting company.
I myself prefer a consulting company, because you get to travel and have your luggage stolen at OR Tambo.
LandyMan
Honorary Master
Didn't cut it as a SAP consultant, did you?
Someone with 1-2 years won't get R300/h ... not even as a contractor. R250 MAX if you are really good.
Contractors with about 7+ years experience, are really good in their specialisation area, and have done at least 5 full life-cycle implementations will get around R450-R500 per hour ... obviously as a perm employee that will be alot less.
It's about business, not IT.
Haha - you can do stupid or clever stuff in any job! Granted an ABAP Report writer is nothing smart, but doing business process consulting with SAP as the IT component is IMHO very clever. It might not be a hard science, but very few people or organizations can actually keep the machines that big companies have become running!
The point is that you have to choose between pure IT (Operating Systems, Hardware, Firmware, Networking, Security) or Business Driven IT (Almost everything else). With Business Driven IT, the business is the most important part. Going into SAP thinking about IT and not business is probably not a good idea (unless you want to be a basis consultant).
Haha - you can do stupid or clever stuff in any job! Granted an ABAP Report writer is nothing smart, but doing business process consulting with SAP as the IT component is IMHO very clever. It might not be a hard science, but very few people or organizations can actually keep the machines that big companies have become running!
The point is that you have to choose between pure IT (Operating Systems, Hardware, Firmware, Networking, Security) or Business Driven IT (Almost everything else). With Business Driven IT, the business is the most important part. Going into SAP thinking about IT and not business is probably not a good idea (unless you want to be a basis consultant).
LandyMan
Honorary Master
Well explained!
This is a bit misleading... I know of Junior Contractors being paid R350/hour on some projects. It depends heavily on specialization area. And it depends heavily on your business background. SAP project managers easily earn R600+/hour. But yes, if you do the most common modules only you probably should not expect to get THAT much money.
Working for a company can put you in a higher bracket in the long term, because you might earn overrider on consultants working below you. But you earn less in the short term.