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SAPS spent more than R52m on 169 torches

Gordon_R

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Please read the article link I posted on the first page of this thread, parts of which I quoted. I did not think it necessary to spell out exactly what is wrong with this deal, which some are now trying to justify!? https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/art...ch-contract-a-r1bn-gift-that-keeps-on-giving/

Daily Maverick sent 13 questions to Keating, offering him a right to reply to questions related to the IPID investigation. We reprint the questions as well as his replies in the interest of clarity:

1.Is it true that you were employed at the Information Systems of the SAPS and worked with a number of SAPS personnel responsible for the procurement of ROFIN/Forensic Light Sources (FLS) from FDA for SAPS?
2.Do you have/did you have any shareholding and/or any involvement in ROFIN Australia? Please state percentage of such shareholding that you do / did own and the extent of any involvement.
3.When did FDA acquire the sole distribution rights for ROFIN Forensic Light Sources (FLS)?
4.When did FDA start supplying the SAPS with ROFIN FLSs?
5.Does the SAPS procure ROFIN FLSs directly from FDA and if not, through which contracts are they supplied?
6.How much does each ROFIN FLS cost the SAPS, i.e. what is the single unit cost (including maintenance and support) of a ROFIN FLS?
7.How has FDA been able to remain the sole supplier of FLS to SAPS for more than a decade, when there are numerous other suppliers of FLS both locally and internationally?
8.How many ROFIN FLSs have the SAPS procured from FDA and what is the total value of ROFIN FLSs supplied to the SAPS to date?
9.What type of maintenance and support do the ROFIN FLSs, supplied by FDA, require and at what intervals?
10.What has the maintenance and support of these FLS cost SAPS/State in the last financial year?
11.In total, how much has SAPS paid FDA for the supply, maintenance and support of ROFIN FLSs?
12.Is it true that EOH Abantu, a wholly owned subsidiary of EOH Holdings, bought a controlling interest in FDA and two other businesses of which you are a Director? And if so, what percentage interest have they bought and for how much?
13.What other goods and/or services does FDA supply to the SAPS/State? Please state the products/services and the values of related contracts?

To which Keating replied:
•The allegations are viewed in a serious light. They are unfounded, untrue and I forthrightly refute them.
•I left the police service 23 years ago.
•Our relationship with Rofin is limited to FDA being a distributor of their
•The sale of our business to EOH Abantu became over time commercially unviable for us, and we are now privately owned.
•All contracts that FDA has worked on in relation to SAPS have been through an open tender process and subjected to all procurement regulations.
•The details of these contracts are a matter of public record. Further details in relation to services and products can be directed to the client.

In another universe – perhaps one of those fictional CSI series – the potential for the SAPS to solve crimes using such amazingly sophisticated and expensive equipment would be cause for celebration.

Instead the release by SAPS of the annual crime statistics last month only served to confirm what South Africans already know. Crime in South Africa is rampant. Every day, 52 South Africans are murdered, there are 109 rapes and 45 hijackings. The depressing bit is we all know that these crimes are also under-reported.

Even worse is the SAPS’s “incomplete” investigation track record which is currently at a 10-year high no matter whether SAPS members are using specialised torches which cost you and me R300,000 a pop.
 

reactor_sa

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Still waiting for SAPS forensics to come take finger prints since late 2014. These light sources must be for the year end Christmas party.
 

Arthur

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Yes. That's the real scandal. Utter incompetence. Dereliction of duty. Jobs and contracts for pals. Public services and government institutions laid waste. And stealing on a scale we can barely grasp. Sickening.

This FLS deal is the wrong fight to pick, I suspect.
 

Gordon_R

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Yes. That's the real scandal. Utter incompetence. Dereliction of duty. Jobs and contracts for pals. Public services and government institutions laid waste. And stealing on a scale we can barely grasp. Sickening.

This FLS deal is the wrong fight to pick, I suspect.
IMO corruption is the flip-side of incompetence and dereliction of duty. You can't send someone to jail for that since it is a political failure, but you can for corruption. You have to pick the fights you can win...

All that time spent getting kickbacks, its a wonder some have any time to do actual work. As long as enough gravy flows to the right people, the laying waste will continue.
 

ɹǝuuᴉM

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I don't know if that's the actual model they bought, but let's say it is.
If you buy it at $14987 that comes to about R214k. You think you're only going to pay R1k for delivery? Lol...have you ever imported anything from overseas?

If done properly add in insurance, duties, local profit at 30% etc and you're right up on 300k. You think Woolies only makes 1% profit on that R60 Cottage Pie meal they're selling you?
This was a government deal facilitated by a third party! In South Africa, does the government pay tax to itself or what? This is corruption no matter how you look at it. The price per kit drops a lot if you buy such a huge amount! With huge orders like this the modus operandi is not the same as when you order a item on eBay. All the major couriers will give you a "special quote" when the value exceeds 1million USD! You can negotiate. I have first hand knowledge when it comes to million dollar import/exports. The transport price per kit is definitely less than 100USD. Actually you pay for the container and not kit. And usually it comes by sea and it may take up to 3 months! Kudos to the people doing the investigation. They should try to trace the import papers. It is important to figure out how exactly it entered South Africa. Further, with a bit of 'perseverance' it can be found out what the manufacturing company got paid. I won't be surprised when the corruption is upwards of 20million Rand.
 
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Mila

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Its for when all the sun has been used up by solar power.
These are specul torches.
 

Cr419

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So the price is actually right?

This is really half-assed click-bait sensationalist reporting.
Do you know which models and with what accessories SAPS purchased, and what the price really is? Did it include a multi-year service/support contract? Also, what was the exchange rate used? Some reports mention the purchase was in Euros, so perhaps they had to buy through the European distributor/agent...

Until we have better facts, I'm reserving judgment on this one.

PS. I execrate Zupta corruption as much as anyone.
I might have agreed with you guys until I saw this. Anybody that has ever done government work can tell you, the below is completely impossible. Number one is orders doesn't close on the 31st of March, ever, as payment has to be done by the end of the working day. And then the invoice is immediately processed, GRN done, and payment fast tracked. That is completely impossible unless all the role players (supplier included) are all standing in one room with multiple computers pushing this through. All that, for a flashlight order? That either is the most efficient department in the history of government, or one of the most corrupt.

Three minutes before the close of business, at precisely 16:57 on 31 March 2016 (which also marked the end of the 2015/16 financial year), SAPS Information Technology Services, a division of SAPS Technology Management Services, generated order number A000T4674 for the supply of 169 Forensic Light Sources at the cost of around R52-million.

On the same day, Forensic Data Analysts (FDA), a Pretoria-based company, submitted INV16131 totalling R52,942,653.66 which was paid almost immediately under the “responsibility code” of 0075 TMS (Technology Management Services). TMS just happens to be where Brigadier Beauty Phahlane and one Colonel Johann Potgieter (more about him shortly) are both stationed.
 
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StrontiumDog

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I might have agreed with you guys until I saw this. Anybody that has ever done government work can tell you, the below is completely impossible. Number one is orders doesn't close on the 31st of March, ever, as payment has to be done by the end of the working day. And then the invoice is immediately processed, GRN done, and payment fast tracked. That is completely impossible unless all the role players (supplier included) are all standing in one room with multiple computers pushing this through. All that, for a flashlight order? That either is the most efficient department in the history of government, or one of the most corrupt.
Paul O'Sullivan talks about this case of fiscal dumping at 20m45s:
Listen to Paul O'Sullivan sees off charges by dirty cops, warns SA is on the brink by BizNews.com #np on #SoundCloud
https://soundcloud.com/biznews-com/...harges-by-dirty-cops-warns-sa-is-on-the-brink
 
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The flashlights weren't available locally, and regulations require them to use a local, BEE supplier.
Want-it-all is not BEE compliant, so they had to get a middleman to facilitate the order through Want-it-all. After their markup, the facilitator only made 10% profit.
 
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