SA's electric car boom is coming

[Deandbn]

I disagree. Is it not natural progression to improve energy efficiency? Have you had a look at the thermal efficiencies of a combustion engine?

Vehicle manufacturers only motive is profit.. Period..
They may market / mumble on about energy efficiency and thermal whatever and climate change as required.. However.. Let me say it again, Profit is the only reason for existence.

 

[zerocool2009]

I wonder what will happen in 2035... no more petrol cars! Something to think about!

 

[The_MAC]

Electric Taxis first..

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Or, they'll keep their solar systems, which don't have much in the way of maintenance, and virtually zero running costs.

Sometimes I wonder about you Cosmik...

How often do you have to replace panels? And batteries? Cost?

 

[wingnut771]

How often do you have to replace panels? And batteries? Cost?

After 20 years you still have 80% capacity.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

After 20 years you still have 80% capacity.

Great. So enough to add a car onto for charging that you never planned for?

Now tell me how many homes in SA can do this?

 

[Antono]

a) our current power issues are just the start of crap to come
b) using a battery to charge a battery? Great now the battery shoppers will have a field day, I'm sure they are tired of cell phone tower batteries, they want new tech

and in other news, the government is going to pay back all the money they have stolen over the years.....

 

[quovadis]

Cost reduction is a natural progression. People will use even more energy if it costs less. Make home coal power by boiler and steam engine driving a generator dirt cheap and people will throw their PV systems away and burn coal at home. A whole industry to supply the coal to the home (CTTH) will be born.

The cost is reduced and the efficiency is increased thus no need but you come back to me when people start burning coal at home because they want an EV.

 

[quovadis]

Vehicle manufacturers only motive is profit.. Period..
They may market / mumble on about energy efficiency and thermal whatever and climate change as required.. However.. Let me say it again, Profit is the only reason for existence.

Go to Paris or any major city and have a look at air quality and you'll find that profit is no longer the only motive. Yes, there'll be a profit motive to enter the EV market but like all technology it has to progress and it makes perfect sense to do so since there's minimal benefit to continue with combustion vs electric.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Go to Paris or any major city and have a look at air quality and you'll find that profit is no longer the only motive. Yes, there'll be a profit motive to enter the EV market but like all technology it has to progress and it makes perfect sense to do so since there's minimal benefit to continue with combustion vs electric.

Electric just displaces the combustion to elsewhere. Capetonians don't get the Witbank power station smog.

 

[Magnum]

A car uses 8 -15 KW per hour to operate. Electric is much more efficient. Not 100 but close depending on the technology involved. Now batteries are also not 100% efficient meaning 100A charge for 1 hour gives 60 Ah capacity. you lose 40% of the power you put in. Yes this also varies with different batteries and age of said batteries.

Now multiply this with all the Cars on the road. Each traveling 36000 KM per year ( AA good average) that gives 3.6 MWh per car per year thumbsuck. Eskom can't even power 1 car currently. How about 20 odd Million cars on the road everyday.

You cannot charge your car at home using solar. Except if you work night shift or have 2 cars to use alternatively.

As a person that owns an Electric Vehicle that is busy getting an ICE upgrade. I think I am qualified enough to know this EV is dead before it has gotten on the Road.

 

[GhostSixFour]

I wonder what will happen in 2035... no more petrol cars! Something to think about!

SA to become the biggest importer of second hand internal combustion vehicles..... Well, SA and whoever else falls behind.

 

[wingnut771]

A car uses 8 -15 KW per hour to operate. Electric is much more efficient. Not 100 but close depending on the technology involved. Now batteries are also not 100% efficient meaning 100A charge for 1 hour gives 60 Ah capacity. you lose 40% of the power you put in. Yes this also varies with different batteries and age of said batteries.

Now multiply this with all the Cars on the road. Each traveling 36000 KM per year ( AA good average) that gives 3.6 MWh per car per year thumbsuck. Eskom can't even power 1 car currently. How about 20 odd Million cars on the road everyday.

You cannot charge your car at home using solar. Except if you work night shift or have 2 cars to use alternatively.

As a person that owns an Electric Vehicle that is busy getting an ICE upgrade. I think I am qualified enough to know this EV is dead before it has gotten on the Road.

Are you not referring to lead acid here. AFAIK, lithium is 90%+ efficient.

What EV do you own?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

A car uses 8 -15 KW per hour to operate. Electric is much more efficient. Not 100 but close depending on the technology involved. Now batteries are also not 100% efficient meaning 100A charge for 1 hour gives 60 Ah capacity. you lose 40% of the power you put in. Yes this also varies with different batteries and age of said batteries.

Now multiply this with all the Cars on the road. Each traveling 36000 KM per year ( AA good average) that gives 3.6 MWh per car per year thumbsuck. Eskom can't even power 1 car currently. How about 20 odd Million cars on the road everyday.

You cannot charge your car at home using solar. Except if you work night shift or have 2 cars to use alternatively.

As a person that owns an Electric Vehicle that is busy getting an ICE upgrade. I think I am qualified enough to know this EV is dead before it has gotten on the Road.

At last. Some practical sense being spoken instead of starry eyed optimism and EV evangelism.

 

[Deandbn]

Go to Paris or any major city and have a look at air quality and you'll find that profit is no longer the only motive. Yes, there'll be a profit motive to enter the EV market but like all technology it has to progress and it makes perfect sense to do so since there's minimal benefit to continue with combustion vs electric.

Paris (and other major cities) have public transport and not much pollution.. As in electric trains / trams etc so not much need for electric cars although I am sure they will buy them if the price is right.
Africa in Contrast will have polluting coal fired power stations creating electricity for years to come, and maybe, if they can get their act together, they may be able to generate enough power for a couple Of electric cars.. Right now however we are in the middle of another bout of load shedding because they can't even keep the lights on nevermind cars. What's more, I don't see any of that changing in the short-term or ever to be honest.
So as I said previously, lack of pollution.. Clean air.. is only 'marketing hype' and huge profit is the only motive..
Soon we will join zim/moz and have no power to speak of despite kariba/coborra.. So IMHO electric cars will be a short term high profit novelty in Africa. Mark my words..

 

[quovadis]

Paris (and other major cities) have public transport and not much pollution.. As in electric trains / trams etc so not much need for electric cars although I am sure they will buy them if the price is right.
Africa in Contrast will have polluting coal fired power stations creating electricity for years to come, and maybe, if they can get their act together, they may be able to generate enough power for a couple Of electric cars.. Right now however we are in the middle of another bout of load shedding because they can't even keep the lights on nevermind cars. What's more, I don't see any of that changing in the short-term or ever to be honest.
So as I said previously, lack of pollution.. Clean air.. is only 'marketing hype' and huge profit is the only motive..
Soon we will join zim/moz and have no power to speak of despite kariba/coborra.. So IMHO electric cars will be a short term high profit novelty in Africa. Mark my words..

Paris is rated one of the worse cities in terms of air quality due primarily to vehicle exhaust emissions. There are court cases regarding it in case you think it's hype. France has doubled its adoption of EV's with +-20% of new vehicles sold being EVs. That's a higher rate currently than new diesel vehicles sold. EV's share was 2% about 3 or so years ago.

 

[quovadis]

Electric just displaces the combustion to elsewhere. Capetonians don't get the Witbank power station smog.

Where greater efficiencies and pollution mitigation can be done. Even crappy coal-fired power stations have better thermal efficiency than an average vehicle's combustion engine.

 

[Pineapple Smurf]

Electric Taxis first..

I vote nuclear powered taxis
They can run non stop for at least 25 years before needing a refill
And just imagine the awesome mushroom cloud everytime one has an accident?

 

[notayoba]

The narrow mindedness and short sightedness displayed here is next level.

For the price of the cheapest car on the SA market you can get a decent hybrid solar system with lithium batteries and enough panels to supply the average 3 bedroom house. If you can afford an electric car, you can afford that comfortably. People think nothing of financing a 500k car, but now they are having a frothy about getting solar for 150k.

Infrastructure in general will evolve to adapt. Solar panels at offices, solar car ports with chargers at shops. More charging stations on long routes.

It's like screaming in 2012 that 'Netflix will never work in SA' because you don't have a good connection.
Or complaining in 1910 that this car thing will never take off because there aren't enough roads.

 

[Pineapple Smurf]

People think nothing of financing a 500k car,

Bliksem, how much do you earn? My bond for my flat is 400k