SA's electric car boom is coming

[notayoba]

Great. Let me show you where you are then if you can afford that in SA:

Currently, approximately three million South Africans account for 97% of the country’s personal income tax collected in 2019.

What PV system and EV can the rest afford?

What ICE car can they afford?

 

[The_MAC]

They could? With half the country unemployed and 30% of the population on grants? And:

Currently, approximately three million South Africans account for 97% of the country’s personal income tax collected in 2019.

I'm referring to the middle class, or more specifically, the ones that are in the right income bracket but claim they cannot..

 

[Cosmik Debris]

What ICE car can they afford?

Why else do you see skedonks on the road?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

I'm referring to the middle class, or more specifically, the ones that are in the right income bracket but claim they cannot..

You think SA will be getting a larger middle class or smaller?

 

[notayoba]

Why else do you see skedonks on the road?

Do electric cars not age and stay new and expensive forever.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Do electric cars not age and stay new and expensive forever.

According to the starry eyed optimists here they will far outlast ICE vehicles. So it should be about two decades before we start seeing the first EV skedonks. But the most expensive part is the battery and when that dies the skedonk dies. You can't fix it with wire and tin cans like you can an ICE skedonk.

Also, any EV is a theft target just for it's electrical component non ferrous material scrap value. If they're chopping steel rebar out of concrete structures for scrap, your EV will be worth a lot more.

 

[notayoba]

According to the starry eyed optimists here they will far outlast ICE vehicles. So it should be about two decades before we start seeing the first EV skedonks. But the most expensive part is the battery and when that dies the skedonk dies. You can't fix it with wire and tin cans like you can an ICE skedonk.

Also, any EV is a theft target just for it's electrical component non ferrous material scrap value. If they're chopping steel rebar out of concrete structures for scrap, your EV will be worth a lot more.

There is already an industry that popped up around rebuilding battery packs. They remove the dead cells, and replace with 2nd hand good ones. It will not be like new, but up to skedonk standard.

It will trickle down to the wire and tin can brigade, just like everything else that's not worth fixing commercially, but someone with a lot of time,not a lot of money and a little bit of skill can fix.

Also, existing cars and engines have plenty metal, yet I don't see them being stolen for scrap value.

 

[notayoba]

Side note for the doubters. Do you honestly believe that the major manufacturers and countries are going electric, but will make special cars just for SA because eskom?

Or do you think just maybe they don't care about us and it will become a matter of fit in or f off.

Or will we just drive old combustion cars forever like in Cuba.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Also, existing cars and engines have plenty metal, yet I don't see them being stolen for scrap value.

Where have you been hanging around?

Thriving township chop shops need dismantling

Durban police and vehicle tracking company Netstar have confirmed that a handful of Durban townships have been identified as chop shop hotspots where hundreds of cars are being stripped by criminals for their spare parts and scrap metal value.

www.iol.co.za

SAPS uncover chop shop in Springs, arrest owner

Police say a hijacked vehicle at least eight cars and several parts from stripped vehicles were found on the property, which belongs to a 50-year-old man.

www.enca.com

Police raid busts car parts racket

Second-hand car parts dealer is expected to appear in court

www.iol.co.za

And this will become the EV electrical non ferrous component industry:

Police swoop on house gate motor thieves chop shop

africatopforum.com

 

[The_MAC]

You think SA will be getting a larger middle class or smaller?

You are deviating here, focus. The point was, people finance R500k cars, but cannot seem to digest the same approach to finance a home PV installation for R150k, which, could also double up as the solution to an unreliable power grid needed for EV adoption.

PS: If the government pull their finger out of their arses and also stop stealing, then there is no reason why the middle class should not grow.

 

[Cius]

Love the idea of electric vehicles, but am not keen on how over time the range drops until you are getting like 90km on a charge and have to replace batteries. They need to solve that first before i will consider them seriously.

Chemical energy storage is just so good that I sometimes think the better solution is to push the tech that turns air into ethanol and fuel our cars that way.

 

[Snyper564]

You are deviating here, focus. The point was, people finance R500k cars, but cannot seem to digest the same approach to finance a home PV installation for R150k, which, could also double up as the solution to an unreliable power grid needed for EV adoption.

PS: If the government pull their finger out of their arses and also stop stealing, then there is no reason why the middle class should not grow.

100% this I have delayed my new car purchase and gone solar, installation taking place next week.

Been working from home since hard lock down - new car moved down on priorities.

 

[The_MAC]

Love the idea of electric vehicles, but am not keen on how over time the range drops until you are getting like 90km on a charge and have to replace batteries. They need to solve that first before i will consider them seriously.

Chemical energy storage is just so good that I sometimes think the better solution is to push the tech that turns air into ethanol and fuel our cars that way.

They will soon be converting all tarmac roads with a continuous wireless charging pad..

 

[Cosmik Debris]

They will soon be converting all tarmac roads with a continuous wireless charging pad..

Yeah right. That uses copper wire. At what cost per km? And it will be dug up by scrap metal sellers. They already dig steel rebar out of concrete...

And the inverse square law comes into play with that. Double the distance of the car from the pad and the square of the field strength decreases. And how will you bill it? If you can't bill it, it's pie in the sky castles in the air for the starry eyed EV optimists. Like jet flying cars in the 21st century were in the 1950's.

 

[wingnut771]

Yeah right. That uses copper wire. At what cost per km? And it will be dug up by scrap metal sellers. They already dig steel rebar out of concrete...

And the inverse square law comes into play with that. Double the distance of the car from the pad and the square of the field strength decreases...

do you not see the italics?

 

[The_MAC]

Yeah right. That uses copper wire. At what cost per km? And it will be dug up by scrap metal sellers. They already dig steel rebar out of concrete...

And the inverse square law comes into play with that. Double the distance of the car from the pad and the square of the field strength decreases. And how will you bill it? If you can't bill it, it's pie in the sky castles in the air for the starry eyed EV optimists. Like jet flying cars in the 21st century were in the 1950's.

It will not be copper, it will be a new material yet to be invented, with no reusable value - the system will use 5G, Drones, AI, Machine Learning, Smart-Metering - every conceivable technology you can think of, it will be there..

Edit: Had to convert font to italics in case this escalates

 

[Cosmik Debris]

do you not see the italics?

Sarcasm convention is /s. Italics could be a quote:

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[The_MAC]

Sarcasm convention is /s. Italics could be a quote:

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oh my

 

[Cosmik Debris]

oh my

Tough when you're on the receiving end of a lesson, hey?

 

[The_MAC]

Tough when you're on the receiving end of a lesson, hey?

I'm gutted