SA's electric car boom is coming

[quovadis]

According to the starry eyed optimists here they will far outlast ICE vehicles. So it should be about two decades before we start seeing the first EV skedonks. But the most expensive part is the battery and when that dies the skedonk dies. You can't fix it with wire and tin cans like you can an ICE skedonk.

Also, any EV is a theft target just for it's electrical component non ferrous material scrap value. If they're chopping steel rebar out of concrete structures for scrap, your EV will be worth a lot more.

Not all EV's are created equal. Tesla though have introduced pretty good guarantees on their batteries and drive trains at 8 years and between 190,000km and 240,000km at minimum 70% battery retention depending on model. Now you can probably fork out for a new one, refurbished one or have cells swapped out in the same way you can have an engine or gearbox overhauled. The difference is at the current pace of battery development we should see this increase to the useful life of a vehicle or the tesla-touted "million mile battery".

And as for theft targets that's just nonsense. There's more scrap value in a regular car than an EV.

 

[notayoba]

And as for theft targets that's just nonsense. There's more scrap value in a regular car than an EV.

If you believe the eternal pessimists on this thread, only once in a blue moon can even stop at a robot without a horde of zombies angle grinding bits out of your car just before the light turns green. The moment the cars start moving again they start grinding down the lights themselves. Strange I still sometimes see intact traffic lights and the occasional car without bits chopped out.

Nevermind actually parking your car. Would be gone in seconds. And then they'll follow you home and remove the copper from your walls.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

And as for theft targets that's just nonsense. There's more scrap value in a regular car than an EV.

Only because cars now number 900 000 odd with EV's at 250 odd and have a spares demand. When EV's are mainstream and the crims realise what non ferrous metals are in them and there's a spares demand, watch the theft escalate. Same as gate motors.

 

[rvZA]

Lol... with charging stations where? Who will provide power to charging stations? One thing is for sure, long distances will not work. Could take you months to get home.

Now... how about electricity at home? Loadshedding. Eskom price increases.

 

[Aghori]

Electric car boom is already here lads. My neighbours old Nissan Leaf went up into a glorious boom of crimson last night. Something about battery leak/overcharge according to him when we spoke today. Luckily it was parked outside his house and not in the garage.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

If you believe the eternal pessimists on this thread

Realists. And if they do get into your house, they will remove the copper pipes and the wiring.

Suggest you have a chat with some insurance companies about the second hand ferrous metal industry and second hand car parts industry. When a new clutch costs a third of your skedonks value and you can't get another car, a second hand clutch will do fine.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Electric car boom is already here lads. My neighbours old Nissan Leaf went up into a glorious boom of crimson last night. Something about battery leak/overcharge according to him when we spoke today. Luckily it was parked outside his house and not in the garage.

That's the problem with lithium batteries. Any exposure to the moisture in the atmosphere will cause a fire that can't be put out with standard fire extinguishers. With fire brigade call outs now being charged, putting your EV out is going to get very expensive. The fire is spectacular though and the colour comes from the metal burning.

Unfortunately the eternal EV optimists and evangelists only want to cherry pick the pro's and never look at the cons.

 

[wingnut771]

Lol... with charging stations where? Who will provide power to charging stations? One thing is for sure, long distances will not work. Could take you months to get home.

Now... how about electricity at home? Loadshedding. Eskom price increases.

I always pictured myself finding a truck I can latch onto the back of when my battery gets low (he won't even know I'm there ("if you can't see my mirrors I can't see you")), charge up, release and carry on with journey. Charges much quicker than a charging point and you're still moving in the direction you were initially instead of just being parked picking your nose. /s

 

[wingnut771]

Realists. And if they do get into your house, they will remove the copper pipes and the wiring.

Suggest you have a chat with some insurance companies about the second hand ferrous metal industry and second hand car parts industry. When a new clutch costs a third of your skedonks value and you can't get another car, a second hand clutch will do fine.

For someone that has been all over the world, why did you choose this **** hole to settle in?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

For someone that has been all over the world, why did you choose this **** hole to settle in?

What has that got to do with EV's and the topic?

 

[quovadis]

Only because cars now number 900 000 odd with EV's at 250 odd and have a spares demand. When EV's are mainstream and the crims realise what non ferrous metals are in them and there's a spares demand, watch the theft escalate. Same as gate motors.

This is the same for any vehicle or asset. Lol. You're also assuming that such stolen "spares" in the future will be usable in other vehicles or that stealing a Tesla is simple. Theft of EV's has not escalated in any market in excess of non-EV vehicles even on a market share basis.

 

[wingnut771]

What has that got to do with EV's and the topic?

just thought you would live in a place where you could have an EV worry free.

 

[Magnum]

Why so inefficient then?
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I was just giving an example for our not inclined members. I do run Brushed motors on the EV. that hurts my usable range.

 

[Magnum]

Just got 2.5 tons of Lithium batteries. Need more Solar to charge them.

 

[wingnut771]

Just got 2.5 tons of Lithium batteries. Need more Solar to charge them.

Howz a pic?

 

[Magnum]

Howz a pic?

Got a Minion to start sorting them out at his place. ther about 4K Lithium cells that need to be charged and stacked for storage. I have 2 Heavy duty DC motors. Don't know what I should do exactly.

 

[notayoba]

It's happening, whether you like it, want it, agree with it, or not. It will happen even if people steal the metal out of the batteries, or even if Eskom collapses.

The ship has already changed direction and is now slowly accelerating on the new course. Not going to turn back because of scrap metal dealers in Benoni.

This thread will provide great comedy 15 years from now.

 

[wingnut771]

Got a Minion to start sorting them out at his place. ther about 4K Lithium cells that need to be charged and stacked for storage. I have 2 Heavy duty DC motors. Don't know what I should do exactly.

pic of one cell?

 

[Magnum]

Good old 18650 2500mAh

 

[Cosmik Debris]

This is the same for any vehicle or asset. Lol. You're also assuming that such stolen "spares" in the future will be usable in other vehicles or that stealing a Tesla is simple.

Any vehicle can be loaded onto a truck into a container which becomes a Faraday cage for the tracker once the doors are closed. It's the modus operandi right now on high level cars.

Spares won't be the goal on electric vehicles. The non ferrous metal will be chopped into small pieces and exported to China as scrap. Exactly what happens to brass taps, copper pipes, Telkom cables, Eskom cables and even ornaments lifted during a burglary. Why do you think gate motors are targeted? Your pool pump is a big target too.

Theft of EV's has not escalated in any market in excess of non-EV vehicles even on a market share basis.

Because there are far less EV's than ICE vehicles. Economy of scale has not made them a major target yet.