SA's electric car boom is coming

[Cosmik Debris]

just thought you would live in a place where you could have an EV worry free.

I live remotely in SA. My nearest supermarket is over 150 km away. An EV is not going to cut it here.

 

[wingnut771]

I live remotely in SA. My nearest supermarket is over 150 km away. An EV is not going to cut it here.

Yeah, this is urban use case. OT: How do you connect to the internet?

 

[quovadis]

Any vehicle can be loaded onto a truck into a container which becomes a Faraday cage for the tracker once the doors are closed. It's the modus operandi right now on high level cars.

Yes but for example with Tesla vehicles the cars are paired with an owners phone and have independent mobile connectivity with global roaming baked into the vehicle. Unless you plan to leave or use the vehicle in a faraday cage you're pretty much going to have an expensive paperweight inside a faraday cage.

Spares won't be the goal on electric vehicles. The non ferrous metal will be chopped into small pieces and exported to China as scrap. Exactly what happens to brass taps, copper pipes, Telkom cables, Eskom cables and even ornaments lifted during a burglary. Why do you think gate motors are targeted? Your pool pump is a big target too.

Show me the vast number of EV vehicles being stolen for this in any market that's been raised as any concern?

Because there are far less EV's than ICE vehicles. Economy of scale has not made them a major target yet.

Errr. There isn't one market where EV's are being stolen in excess of their ICE counterparts even adjusted for market share. In the US market you're 90% less likely to have your Tesla stolen than any ICE vehicle. This is in a country with a vehicle theft every 7 mins.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Yeah, this is urban use case. OT: How do you connect to the internet?

Directional radio towers and a parabolic aerial. All farm and farm road cameras run on PV and batteries and relay their info via internet using the towers or relays to the towers which can be a home router or another camera along the way.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Yes but for example with Tesla vehicles the cars are paired with an owners phone and have independent mobile connectivity with global roaming baked into the vehicle. Unless you plan to leave or use the vehicle in a faraday cage you're pretty much going to have an expensive paperweight inside a faraday cage.

As stated, the present modus operandi is to load a high end car into the Faraday cage container. It's then driven to a workshop which is a Faraday cage, the doors closed and the vehicle unloaded and taken apart. You can have all the connectivity you like in a Faraday cage. It ain't gonna work.

Show me the vast number of EV vehicles being stolen for this in any market that's been raised as any concern?

As stated, there are too few EV's worldwide to make syndicated theft of them an economy of scale yet. Nobody stole cell phone tower batteries for decades until the home PV market provided a market and the economy of scale was acceptable.

 

[quovadis]

As stated, the present modus operandi is to load a high end car into the Faraday cage container. It's then driven to a workshop which is a Faraday cage, the doors closed and the vehicle unloaded and taken apart. You can have all the connectivity you like in a Faraday cage. It ain't gonna work.

As stated, there are too few EV's worldwide to make syndicated theft of them an economy of scale yet. Nobody stole cell phone tower batteries for decades until the home PV market provided a market and the economy of scale was acceptable.

Ok you let me know when your hypothetical conjecture becomes reality.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Ok you let me know when your hypothetical conjecture becomes reality.

Have it your way. I don't need your validation.

 

[SauRoNZA]

I have no stats. I just know that Capetonians drive long distances on their commutes.

Huh? Cape Tonians drive very short distances, they just take very long.

Also what do mountain passes have to do with anything?

 

[SauRoNZA]

The norm being touted includes an electrical grid with capacity to charge such EVs off-peak. But, for those who wish to, I'm sure plenty can afford an EV vehicle and home PV setup especially if you consider the upward trend in Eskom & Petrol tariffs and the added benefit of being self-sufficient.

Exactly.

Anyone who can afford an EV can also afford the PV system to go with it.

 

[SauRoNZA]

yes, but you don't store kinetic energy on a fuel car.

You also don’t have nearly the same levels of torque efficiency.

Uphills are a non event for EV’s unlike combustion vehicles.

 

[SauRoNZA]

It's not the imaginary route. You won't buy a fuel vehicle in 10 years time. SA doesn't and never will have an EV infrastructure.

Ha ha ha ha.

Never my ass. It’s inevitable.

And it already has an EV infrastructure, in 10 -20 years time it will just be the default infrastructure.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Huh? Cape Tonians drive very short distances, they just take very long.

Also what do mountain passes have to do with anything?

You're unaware a vehicle uses more power on a mountain pass?

Short distances you say? Seen the traffic jams from Fish Hoek to Cape Town? Or Kraaifontein to Cape Town? Or Blauwberg to Cape Town? Or from Stellenbosch to Cape Town? Or the N2 from Somerset West to Cape Town?

Looks like you haven't driven much in Cape Town's surrounds during peak hours, which are a misnomer as most of the day is a peak hour. A single accident can cause a 3 hour delay with everyone trying rat runs through suburbs.

And all of those back in the afternoon? Traffic on the N1 in the afternoon only starts thinning around Klapmuts. The R300 and Okavango Road intersections on the N1 are a nightmare

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Exactly.

Anyone who can afford an EV can also afford the PV system to go with it.

At present EV's are for those with spare cash. What happens when there are no more ICE's being built?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

You also don’t have nearly the same levels of torque efficiency.

Uphills are a non event for EV’s unlike combustion vehicles.

That torque has to come from somewhere. The math will show a faster depletion of the battery.

 

[SauRoNZA]

You're unaware a vehicle uses more power on a mountain pass?

Short distances you say? Seen the traffic jams from Fish Hoek to Cape Town? Or Kraaifontein to Cape Town? Or Blauwberg to Cape Town? Or from Stellenbosch to Cape Town? Or the N2 from Somerset West to Cape Town?

Looks like you haven't driven much in Cape Town's surrounds during peak hours, which are a misnomer as most of the day is a peak hour. A single accident can cause a 3 hour delay with everyone trying rat runs through suburbs.

And all of those back in the afternoon? Traffic on the N1 in the afternoon only starts thinning around Klapmuts. The R300 and Okavango Road intersections on the N1 are a nightmare

Erm I drive from Brackenfell to Cape Town CBD.

I’m very familiar thank you very much. Those are short distances compared to what people do up North in Gauteng.

Even Somerset West to the CBD is the extreme and pretty short compared to people up North.

Like I said distances are short, travel time is long.

How that matter to an EV conversation I don’t really know.

Even living here I could still get away with charging an EV only on weekends which undermines your entire point.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Ha ha ha ha.

Never my ass. It’s inevitable.

And it already has an EV infrastructure, in 10 -20 years time it will just be the default infrastructure.

South Africa has an EV infrastructure? For 250 odd EV's? The entire country and Eskom has been prepared for replacement of all ICE vehicles with EV's?

 

[SauRoNZA]

At present EV's are for those with spare cash. What happens when there are no more ICE's being built?

It’s pretty obvious…they go electric.

And because they are the norm they become cheaper and cheaper over time.

This is how every market of new technology adoption works.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Erm I drive from Brackenfell to Cape Town CBD.

I’m very familiar thank you very much. Those are short distances compared to what people do up North in Gauteng.

Even Somerset West to the CBD is the extreme and pretty short compared to people up North.

Like I said distances are short, travel time is long.

How that matter to an EV conversation I don’t really know.

Even living here I could still get away with charging an EV only on weekends which undermines your entire point.

Great. I've done that trip many times from Okavango interchange to Cape town. What time are you driving and how long does the 30 odd km take you? What longer distances do Gauteng do?

 

[SauRoNZA]

South Africa has an EV infrastructure? For 250 odd EV's? The entire country and Eskom has been prepared for replacement of all ICE vehicles with EV's?

I never said it’s prepared for everyone switching to EV’s by tomorrow, that’s not realistic on any level for anyone using their brain.

You said there will never be infrastructure, but there already is regardless of what scale it’s at.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

It’s pretty obvious…they go electric.

And because they are the norm they become cheaper and cheaper over time.

This is how every market of new technology adoption works.

So, how much does the guy in the R30k skedonk get into the EV market? And he can't afford a PV system...