SA's electric car boom is coming

Cosmik Debris

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itareanlnotani said:
This^^^^^

Government needs to start pulling finger to keep the existing manufacturing here, otherwise thats another industry done for.
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Why do you think Ford invested so much moving their fuel engined car factory to Gauteng? The ANC lauded it as investment, meanwhile it was because they would be banned from Europe and the USA soon.
 
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Now let us look at this at a practical way.


A Nissan Leaf 45kwh battery range 230km recharge time with fast charger (7kw) 6 hours can be done in about 1 hour with a 55kw charger if available
So from Johannesburg to Cape Town it would need to be recharged 9 times. Total time spend at a charging station would be from 9 to 48 hours.
I see an opportunity here for someone to enveloppe a vehicle transport/luxury bus where you can travel long distance in comfort with your EV safely in the back transport section.
 
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Cosmik Debris said:
What size solar panel system and batteries do you have at home? There's no way a run of the mill standard home installation is going to charge a car at night...
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I work from home, so I will charge during the day. My home's batteries are charged by 09H30 (if no cloud cover) and after that I literally waste 5-600kWh every month.
 
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Sapphiron said:
Not at the currently inflated prices they charge its not.

The SA brands are just trying to cash in on the gullible at this point.

Need to drop 30% to come in line with the international prices relative to petrol and diesel models.
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It's government slapping 2 taxes on them.
 
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Nemesys said:
Now let us look at this at a practical way.


A Nissan Leaf 45kwh battery range 230km recharge time with fast charger (7kw) 6 hours can be done in about 1 hour with a 55kw charger if available
So from Johannesburg to Cape Town it would need to be recharged 9 times. Total time spend at a charging station would be from 9 to 48 hours.
I see an opportunity here for someone to enveloppe a vehicle transport/luxury bus where you can travel long distance in comfort with your EV safely in the back transport section.
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Dumb question, why are you driving to Johannesburg instead of flying and renting a car there?
As an aside, I'd expect the Ford F150 to dominate since Hilux is the most popular car in South Africa (US it's $40k though, question is more service and electricity cost since cheaper, it's 3km/kWh or so, so R1/km so cheaper to drive probs even in CT). Range on it is 370-480km depending on model and stuff, so 6 times charging, 150kw is 41 minutes for 15-80%, and you wouldn't really full charge I think, so would still say 7/8 stops at 35-40 minutes each, which is fine since you do need to get up and stretch and stuff, question is if chargers available since everyone is using it for over half an hour vs car a few minutes to tank...
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I don't see EV making that many sales in South Africa for now, maybe in 2/3 years, need a car around $20k mark, so will be another generation or two.

I'd still expect Qi charging to have to properly roll out for it to truly get proper adoption, just parking your car in the garage and having charging overnight: https://qmerit.com/ev-charger-installation/
Would expect it to start being general market end of next year or so (they say launch 2021 in US, rest of world to follow: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...homes-of-rivian-vehicle-owners-301326410.html), it's been in testing in CA since 2019.
 
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Cosmik Debris said:
What size solar panel system and batteries do you have at home? There's no way a run of the mill standard home installation is going to charge a car at night...
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The idea is that you'd use residual generation during the day. Take an average person who drives 50km per day 6 days per week. That's 300km/week or around 60kwh. That's not a huge amount of generation over 2 days for a mid-tier home PV setup.
 
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RonSwanson said:
Charging is the least of my concerns, I have ample spare capacity. I would own one in a heartbeat if they were competitively priced.
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Yup until there are tax rebates or massive reductions on import fees it just doesn’t make sense.
 
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quovadis said:
The idea is that you'd use residual generation during the day. Take an average person who drives 50km per day 6 days per week. That's 300km/week or around 60kwh. That's not a huge amount of generation over 2 days for a mid-tier home PV setup.
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Exactly. You aren’t filling the entire tank every day.

Either you are trickle charging what you used during the day, or even better charging once a week over the weekend.
 
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Lol yeah no it's not happening unless the government comes to the table and cheap Chinese electric cars come here. It's a pipe dream.
 
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Nemesys said:
Now let us look at this at a practical way.


A Nissan Leaf 45kwh battery range 230km recharge time with fast charger (7kw) 6 hours can be done in about 1 hour with a 55kw charger if available
So from Johannesburg to Cape Town it would need to be recharged 9 times. Total time spend at a charging station would be from 9 to 48 hours.
I see an opportunity here for someone to enveloppe a vehicle transport/luxury bus where you can travel long distance in comfort with your EV safely in the back transport section.
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In the bad old days that option was available on the railways. You could have your car loaded onto the same train you were travelling on in far more comfort than driving and be there in about the same or slightly more time. Those were the days with dining cars, bar cars, bedding provided and the beds made for you before long distance trains devolved into a spaza takeaway shop.
 
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Cosmik Debris said:
In the bad old days that option was available on the railways. You could have your car loaded onto the same train you were travelling on in far more comfort than driving and be there in about the same or slightly more time. Those were the days with dining cars, bar cars, bedding provided and the beds made for you before long distance trains devolved into a spaza takeaway shop.
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Well if you purchase a Volvo EV they'll give you a regular volvo for a holiday trip of up to 2 weeks if memory serves.
 
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quovadis said:
The idea is that you'd use residual generation during the day. Take an average person who drives 50km per day 6 days per week. That's 300km/week or around 60kwh. That's not a huge amount of generation over 2 days for a mid-tier home PV setup.
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Right. How many homes have that capacity? And if it rains for the entire weekend?
 
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