SA's electricity prices are loaded with taxes like petrol

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SA's electricity prices are loaded with taxes like petrol

A large part of South Africa's electricity prices is consists of government levies and costs that are out of Eskom's control.

That is according to independent regulatory and tariff consultant Deon Conradie, who told Sunday newspaper Rapport that the electricity tariff is used much like petrol prices in the country.

Like the general fuel levy, the electricity price is loaded with fees that the government uses for other purposes.
 

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That R2 for IPP nonsense shouldn't be posted without context @Jan do you ever proof read your "journalists" articles?


Also mentions the fact that what Eskom charges for IPP is not what it pays for IPP, Eskom makes money off it. This is besides the fact that IPP OCGT is way more expensive than other IPP, and that other IPP should be built.

This article rather makes the argument for properly ring fencing coal and environmental levvy.
 

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How about the "political appointment" tax? That is something Eskom can address but instead, decide to play politics, can we get a figure of headcount per kWh generated vs other utilities globally?

How about "nepotistic incompetence" tax? The extras wasted due to people who have no idea wtf they need to do but are in managerial positions and getting contracts for technical services? Once again controllable but politically disruptive so we go with the flow.

The consumer, read tax payer, read citizens have no choice and must pay, so who cares...
 
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Not a very well-written article. Appears a bit rushed
 

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That R2 for IPP nonsense shouldn't be posted without context @Jan do you ever proof read your "journalists" articles?


Also mentions the fact that what Eskom charges for IPP is not what it pays for IPP, Eskom makes money off it. This is besides the fact that IPP OCGT is way more expensive than other IPP, and that other IPP should be built.

This article rather makes the argument for properly ring fencing coal and environmental levvy.
Eskom pays through its nose for the IPP power. You see private companies take advantage of Eskom when Eskom needs them to invest in infrastructure. Have a look at their annual results.

R2.28/kWh is what Eskom pays IPPs…
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Whereas coal and nuclear are super cheap!
Coal: R0.421/kWh
Nuclear: R0.105/kWh

See page 68 of the 2021 annual report: https://www.eskom.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/2021IntegratedReport.pdf
 

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"A large part of South Africa's electricity prices is consists of government levies and costs that are out of Eskom's control."

So what's the % that are taxes? I mean it seems like an important figure to have when you have a sensationalist headline like that. Should I be irritated, angry, or speechless?
 

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Eskom pays through its nose for the IPP power. You see private companies take advantage of Eskom when Eskom needs them to invest in infrastructure. Have a look at their annual results.

R2.28/kWh is what Eskom pays IPPs…
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Whereas coal and nuclear are super cheap!
Coal: R0.421/kWh
Nuclear: R0.105/kWh

See page 68 of the 2021 annual report: https://www.eskom.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/2021IntegratedReport.pdf
You completely ignored the link I posted, which states:
For the third multiyear price determination (MYPD3), covering Eskom’s five financial years from 2013/14 to 2017/18, as well as for Eskom’s single-year application for 2018/19, Nersa approved all IPP-related costs to be recouped from Eskom’s customers as a 100% pass-through cost item, without any discount or reduction. In the context of IPP costs, Eskom essentially fulfils the role of a cash collector. It collects money from the ratepayer that is directly passed on to the IPPs.


Therefore, under normal operating conditions, IPPs are profit neutral to Eskom. The only risk for Eskom lies in an under- or overestimation of IPPs’ energy production levels or of the average tariff payable to IPPs in the revenue applications. That risk is a liquidity, not a profit risk, as any under- or over recovery is dealt with through the Regulatory Clearing Account (RCA). The RCA mechanism allows for a backward-looking reconciliation of Eskom’s actual costs against the forward-looking planned and approved costs by the regulator.


During the decision-making process on MYPD3 in early 2013, the high renewable-energy tariffs of the first two bid windows of the Renewable Energy IPP Procurement Programme (see also Engineering News April 5, 2019 ) were the basis for the forecast of the Eskom revenues required to recoup the renewable IPP costs. But renewables tariffs fell sharply – a fact not fully captured in the assumptions for MYPD3. As a result, Eskom’s IPP-related costs during the period were lower than those factored into the Eskom average tariff. Therefore, Eskom’s liquidity was in fact bolstered by IPPs, as it received substantially more money for IPP electricity from the ratepayer than it was actually paying out.


Because the power system has not been in normal operating condition for many years now, renewables IPPs have not only been cash positive for Eskom, but also profit positive. This is because the renewables plants were introduced at a time when Eskom’s coal power stations were not always able to produce the electricity required to meet demand. Therefore, during sustained periods, the utility operated the diesel-fuelled open-cycle gas turbines at far higher rates than was expected when the MYPD3 determination was made.



In the absence of the electricity from the renewables power stations, the diesel costs (which at one stage surged to levels of R1-billion a month) would have been even higher. And unlike the IPP costs, the diesel costs are not fully recoverable from the ratepayer. Nersa disallowed Eskom recouping them through the RCA on the basis that they could have been avoided through the efficient operation of the coal fleet. Hence, Eskom’s losses would have been even larger during the period, had it not been for the electricity provided by the IPPs.


And you also posted how they paid IPP OCGT, which shows that Eskom failed to produce enough energy and therefore over contracted it; my entire point was IPP renewable and IPP OCGT should not be put together and saying that it costs over R2 is nonsense.
 

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You completely ignored the link I posted, which states:

And you also posted how they paid IPP OCGT, which shows that Eskom failed to produce enough energy and therefore over contracted it; my entire point was IPP renewable and IPP OCGT should not be put together and saying that it costs over R2 is nonsense.
I didn’t. You even highlighted that that agreement was for ONE year only i.e FY 2018/2019. And that was two years ago. The agreement since expired hence they are no longer bound by it any longer.

For the third multiyear price determination (MYPD3), covering Eskom’s five financial years from 2013/14 to 2017/18, as well as for Eskom’s single-year application for 2018/19, Nersa approved all IPP-related costs to be recouped from Eskom’s customers as a 100% pass-through cost item, without any discount or reduction.
Also the image with how much OCGT IPP costs is from Eskom’s 2021 annual report. I didn’t make it up. Just that is R3.57/kWh cost to Eskom. Go private companies! :cool:
Who’s taking advantage of whom now?
 

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Yeah, gotta thank those IDIOTS.

I mean, you should've learnt by now but they just keep voting for them.
 

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I didn’t. You even highlighted that that agreement was for ONE year only i.e FY 2018/2019. And that was two years ago. The agreement since expired hence they are no longer bound by it any longer.
Here, MYPD4, doesn't make a difference: https://www.esi-africa.com/resource...otes-nersa-decision-on-mypd4-and-rca-2017-18/
Same thing will apply to next years one etc., NERSA failed to provide a new costing model as said in the news recently.
Also the image with how much OCGT IPP costs is from Eskom’s 2021 annual report. I didn’t make it up. Just that is R3.57/kWh cost to Eskom. Go private companies! :cool:
Who’s taking advantage of whom now?
Passed through to consumer, Eskom doesn't pay. You still haven't read my post.
 

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Countries in the region with cheaper power than South Africa include Tanzania, Zambia, Ethiopia, Guinea, Zimbabwe, Sudan, and Angola.

Isn't that the same flawed statement we make about mobile data?
 

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Passed through to consumer, Eskom doesn't pay.
So you’re saying that Eskom like any other business in the world buys their inputs at various prices and…passes the cost through to the customer while putting a markup on the costs. I am shocked that they do this. Actually try to make a profit?! Unthinkable. Oh wait. If they don’t then everyone moans how Eskom is run at a loss and only increases their mountain of debt.

You must realise that Eskom will pass he cost on to you. Always like every other business. Eskom is in the business of generating electricity. Who else are they supposed to pass the cost on to? It’s like moaning that Clover passes the cost of purchasing their milk on to the customer and makes a profit…

In summary. Eskom’s inputs cost them R0.40/kWh for coal, R0.10/kWh for nuclear and sometimes R3.57/kWh for IPP OCGT. This all goes into one pot and you and I pay for the electricity at between R1.00 and R2.50/kWh depending how much you use, what tariff you are on and where in the country you live and if you are billed by a municipality or Eskom directly. What exactly are you surprised about here?
 

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So you’re saying that Eskom like any other business in the world buys their inputs at various prices and…passes the cost through to the customer while putting a markup on the costs. I am shocked that they do this. Actually try to make a profit?! Unthinkable. Oh wait. If they don’t then everyone moans how Eskom is run at a loss and only increases their mountain of debt.
You're being deliberately obtuse, Eskom passes on the cost regardless, it doesn't have input costs etc. for it.
You must realise that Eskom will pass he cost on to you. Always like every other business. Eskom is in the business of generating electricity. Who else are they supposed to pass the cost on to? It’s like moaning that Clover passes the cost of purchasing their milk on to the customer and makes a profit…
Obviously, you missed the point again, this is probably my last post since you keep reposting the same thing, re-read my posts with understanding, are you Brendan_E?
In summary. Eskom’s inputs cost them R0.40/kWh for coal, R0.10/kWh for nuclear and sometimes R3.57/kWh for IPP OCGT. This all goes into one pot and you and I pay for the electricity at between R1.00 and R2.50/kWh depending how much you use, what tariff you are on and where in the country you live and if you are billed by a municipality or Eskom directly. What exactly are you surprised about here?
Those figures are definitely wrong, source. You're definitely not factoring in construction and decommissioning.
 
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