Saudi Arabia oil facilities ablaze after drone strikes

[ToxicBunny]

There have been conflicts and turmoil in some or other area in the modern era of the ME, since 1900 , do you really think another one will make all that difference ?

List of modern conflicts in the Middle East - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The scale will be what is different more than likely...

Since the Gulf War, most of those conflicts have been very contained within areas.

 

[Aquila ka Hecate]

Have you been blind to all their other aggressive acts recently? Iran has nothing to lose. The current sanctions are hurting them badly. With the nuclear deal falling through, they have no other way forward.

I tend to agree with you that it's very likely Iran.
However, given the porky-pie nature of the current US leadership, many people's first impulse would be sneering.

 

[Emjay]

Iran was part of a plot to attack the US while negotiating with the US on the nuclear deal.

'Act of war': Mattis says Obama's inept response to Cafe Milano bomb plot 'emboldened' Iran

Former Defense Secretary Jim Mattis says he predicted years ago that Iran would escalate its provocations against the United States — and he partly blames the Obama administration’s anemic reaction to an Iranian plot to bomb a restaurant in Washington, D.C.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

But, please tell us more about false flag operations, and how a president is going to wage war so he can remain in office for 4 more years.

I tend to agree with you that it's very likely Iran.
However, given the porky-pie nature of the current US leadership, many people's first impulse would be sneering.

Yeah, Trump will find a way to make this about him. But I very much doubt the American people will be happy if the US is dragged into another full on conflict. After Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan, I don't think they are going to wade into further conflict unless the USA is directly threatened. The USA is currently power independent, so they are sitting fine. I do strongly believe the USA is going to try find further ways to hurt them economically.

 

[Nanfeishen]

The scale will be what is different more than likely...

Since the Gulf War, most of those conflicts have been very contained within areas.

Possibly, however, i dont think the US will be able to muster the same support for another war from other countries.
"Fool me once....." etc.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Possibly, however, i dont think the US will be able to muster the same support for another war from other countries.
"Fool me once....." etc.

Oh I think the US and Russia will possibly fight proxy wars here, never get directly involved to a great level again..

BUT, Saudi has lots of military toys to use and could cause chaos, as can Iran...

 

[Nanfeishen]

Oh I think the US and Russia will possibly fight proxy wars here, never get directly involved to a great level again..

BUT, Saudi has lots of military toys to use and could cause chaos, as can Iran...

Saudi and Iran will always be at each others throats its the Shia, Sunni divide which fuels that fire.
Spill over in a normal conflict will be inevitable however, and its how that spill over is dealt with that counts.

 

[Cius]

Have you been blind to all their other aggressive acts recently? Iran has nothing to lose. The current sanctions are hurting them badly. With the nuclear deal falling through, they have no other way forward.

Not at all, hence me saying "Then again...." right after saying it was not Iran. Them seizing the tankers and all the other shenanigans they have recently pulled show they have guts to things, however knocking out 50% of Saudi oil production will heavily effect the Saudi's income this year. It will also disrupt global oil supply which as always impacts on the NATO nations the most as they burn the most oil. USA is oil independent but Europe is certainly not and the USA cares that NATO gets oil from Saudi. Hence this would be a massive escalation by Iran and one that risk all out war, which is something they would not win. Hence me saying it does not 100% make sense. Surprised there is not more about who was responsible in the news yet and what the Saudi military response is.

 

[rietrot]

Have you been blind to all their other aggressive acts recently? Iran has nothing to lose. The current sanctions are hurting them badly. With the nuclear deal falling through, they have no other way forward.

More like retaliation to others aggression. Tit for tat.

 

[Eniigma]

Why?

because Orangemanbad.exe, 'comeon Emjay I expected better from you.

We all know everything is Trumps fault.

/s

 

[saturnz]

Saudi and Iran will always be at each others throats its the Shia, Sunni divide which fuels that fire.
Spill over in a normal conflict will be inevitable however, and its how that spill over is dealt with that counts.

a divide which is in the US government's interest to escalate, otherwise why else would they support such a disgusting regime as the Saudis?

 

[Grant]

Yeah, Trump will find a way to make this about him. But I very much doubt the American people will be happy if the US is dragged into another full on conflict.

but it's a presidential tradition

 

[Emjay]

because Orangemanbad.exe, 'comeon Emjay I expected better from you.

We all know everything is Trumps fault.

/s

I hate it when people make assumptions about my beliefs, so, as a rule of thumb, I am trying to ask questions to get an understanding before calling someone out. And, I wanted some light entertainment. Was not disappointed though.

 

[cr@zydude]

Oil price goes up. Tax collected on the oil price increase . Goverment smiles all the way.

No

In SA we pay fixed tax values per litre of petrol and diesel, not a % of the price before tax.

 

[joshuatree]

Goldman Sachs says an extended Saudi outage could push Brent crude oil prices above $75

An extended Saudi oil outage could push Brent crude prices north of $75 per barrel, Goldman Sachs warned clients.

www.cnbc.com

Goldman Sachs says an extended Saudi outage could push Brent crude oil prices above $75

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In response to the weekend attack and in expectation of a spike in oil prices, President Donald Trump authorized the release of oil from the U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve if needed to keep the market well-supplied.

 

[buka001]

The Saudis are at war with the Houthis in Yemen, with several tit for tat attacks.

I think that there is a high probability that this was carried out by the Houthis in retaliation.

 

[saturnz]

The Saudis are at war with the Houthis in Yemen, with several tit for tat attacks.

I think that there is a high probability that this was carried out by the Houthis in retaliation.

Or the CIA who are known for stealing, cheating and lying (no need to mention murder).

 

[kolaval]

With all the green, global warming talk isn't it a bit silly to still be fighting for control of the oil?

Tall is cheap.
Can you imagine the money they make of oil, still?

 

[Gordon_R]

[snip]

In response to the weekend attack and in expectation of a spike in oil prices, President Donald Trump authorized the release of oil from the U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve if needed to keep the market well-supplied.

The US SPR is relatively large, but not very flexible, nor immediately accessible: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49720026

 

[Cius]

The Saudis are at war with the Houthis in Yemen, with several tit for tat attacks.

I think that there is a high probability that this was carried out by the Houthis in retaliation.

Yep, the Houthis have nothing to lose as they are already in an all out war with Saudi and hitting them in the oil is a heavy blow to Saudi income. However, they claimed they launched 10 drones, and there were 17 impact points. Also if they were capable of doing something like this one would imagine it would have happened a lot earlier. Overall this looks like someone who wanted to hit Saudi oil did the attack with a tacit agreement with the Houti's that they get to take the credit. Who actually launched it is up for debate. There are many options, or people who stand to gain.

 

[buka001]

Yep, the Houthis have nothing to lose as they are already in an all out war with Saudi and hitting them in the oil is a heavy blow to Saudi income. However, they claimed they launched 10 drones, and there were 17 impact points. Also if they were capable of doing something like this one would imagine it would have happened a lot earlier. Overall this looks like someone who wanted to hit Saudi oil did the attack with a tacit agreement with the Houti's that they get to take the credit. Who actually launched it is up for debate. There are many options, or people who stand to gain.

Yeah, did some more reading on this. I think you are right. I think the Houthis are taking credit, just to bolster their image.

But, due to the likelihood that cruise missiles were used, in conjunction with drones and the high degree of accuracy of this weaponry, it points more towards Iran.