Saudi Arabia oil facilities ablaze after drone strikes

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buka001 said:
Yeah, did some more reading on this. I think you are right. I think the Houthis are taking credit, just to bolster their image.

But, due to the likelihood that cruise missiles were used, in conjunction with drones and the high degree of accuracy of this weaponry, it points more towards Iran.
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Definitely a high chance here. However I could also see it being several other characters for a variety of reasons:
USA (Trump could want a big war to give him a hope of re-election. Next one he is not against Hillary)
Saudi themselves (Houti's are largely financed by Iran, they want an excuse to take on Iran directly)
Israel (for some subtle reason perhaps around keeping the focus off them)
Russia (They are fairly complex and could gain a lot of control elsewhere while US is busy in Iran)

So ya, I really do wonder. Still, most obvious nation is Iran.
 
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No definitive proof yet, but it seems pretty clear these were not amateur drones, and certainly not launched from Yemeni territory: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49733558
Analysis
By Jonathan Marcus
Defence correspondent

This is the strongest claim yet from the Americans that the attacks against the Saudi oil facilities were launched from Iran itself.

No corroborating evidence or intelligence has yet been provided. But if true, it takes the Gulf crisis to a more dangerous level and it demonstrates a new threshold of brinkmanship by the Iranian authorities. It also raises the question: what response, if any, is required?

For past US presidents the security of oil supplies in the Gulf was an absolute priority. But for the "locked and loaded" Donald Trump, for all his bluster and apparent affinity with the Saudi royal family, this is not necessarily the case. There is no treaty relationship between Washington and Riyadh, and the Saudis are increasingly unpopular on Capitol Hill.

The arguments for a response run both ways. If Iran's alleged escalation is not met by firm action, it might only embolden Tehran to go further. But the attacks have demonstrated Saudi Arabia's extraordinary vulnerability. In any protracted conflict it would be very much in the line of fire.

For the White House this is a strategic dilemma with no easy answers.
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Gordon_R said:
No definitive proof yet, but it seems pretty clear these were not amateur drones, and certainly not launched from Yemeni territory
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After the iraq invasion i have a certain level of distrust when it comes to this crap. What does hans blix say?
 
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The US has around 1000 military bases outside of its borders with many around the perimeter of Russia.

The US is currently involved in a handful of (illegal) wars and is putting into question treaties it signed which aimed to have some sort of peace.

The US government is on record stating that they have training programs to lie steal and cheat (murder implied I guess).

I don't think many would disagree the Saudi government is one of the most oppressive in the world, and they happen to be good friends with the US even after killing one of its citizens while engaging in genocide.

But Iran is the problem here.
 
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saturnz said:
The US has around 1000 military bases outside of its borders with many around the perimeter of Russia.

The US is currently involved in a handful of (illegal) wars and is putting into question treaties it signed which aimed to have some sort of peace.

The US government is on record stating that they have training programs to lie steal and cheat (murder implied I guess).

I don't think many would disagree the Saudi government is one of the most oppressive in the world, and they happen to be good friends with the US even after killing one of its citizens while engaging in genocide.

But Iran is the problem here.
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IF it was Iran who directly attacked Saudi.(which I doubt). Then yes they escalated the conflict. Saudi was just killing innocent children in Yemen prior to this. Not threatening the world oil supply.

Seeing that Iran is under an embargo, that would definitely justify them blowing up some Saudi oil facilities. But it's still bad for things to escalate.
 
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saturnz said:
The US is currently involved in a handful of (illegal) wars and is putting into question treaties it signed which aimed to have some sort of peace.

are wars ever really "legal"
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saturnz said:
The US government is on record stating that they have training programs to lie steal and cheat (murder implied I guess).
Iran has the same training program, its called taqiya
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saturnz said:
I don't think many would disagree the Saudi government is one of the most oppressive in the world, and they happen to be good friends with the US even after killing one of its citizens while engaging in genocide.
they are really not that great friends - what they have is an uncomfortable symbiotic relationship
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But Iran is the problem here.
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ever since bearded lunatics known as "supreme leaders, iran became that drunken & bellicose neighbor nobody wants, but fights with everyone
 
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Grant said:
ever since bearded lunatics known as "supreme leaders, iran became that drunken & bellicose neighbor nobody wants, but fights with everyone
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So you are unaware of US interference in the Persian region dating back to the early 20th century.
 
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Some analysis on the attacks but it is highly likely that their was a nation state sponsor due to the tactics and weapons employed.

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Blu82 said:
Some analysis on the attacks but it is highly likely that their was a nation state sponsor due to the tactics and weapons employed
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Which nation state prides itself on its 'precision' attacks?
 
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As for who is responsible I'd want that information from a reliable source rather than a country with a long history of lying about these sort of things like the US.

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Definitely a high chance here. However I could also see it being several other characters for a variety of reasons:
USA (Trump could want a big war to give him a hope of re-election. Next one he is not against Hillary)
Saudi themselves (Houti's are largely financed by Iran, they want an excuse to take on Iran directly)
Israel (for some subtle reason perhaps around keeping the focus off them)
Russia (They are fairly complex and could gain a lot of control elsewhere while US is busy in Iran)

So ya, I really do wonder. Still, most obvious nation is Iran.
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Iran is a troublemaker which is why it could be them, but also why they make the perfect scapegoat.

A war saved Thatcher, so it might work for Trump. But it could also backfire on him.

Israel has a long history of fomenting trouble in the area and creating situations that give them an excuse to use force.

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ever since bearded lunatics known as "supreme leaders, iran became that drunken & bellicose neighbor nobody wants, but fights with everyone
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A situation the US played a big part in creating. Yet more blowback from earlier interference.
 
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Just in case you think this has nothing to do with SA, a lot of our oil imports come from that region, and petrol prices are likely to rise: https://www.fin24.com/Economy/drone...2-of-sas-oil-imports-come-from-saudi-20190918
The bulk of SA’s oil imports came from Saudi Arabia (42%) in the first quarter of this year, followed by Nigeria (34%), Angola (13%) and Ghana.

On Saturday, ten drones struck two Saudi oil facilities – which affected half of that country’s oil output, or 5% of the world’s oil supplies. This triggered a record spike in the oil price, which jumped by 20% on Monday to above $67 a barrel. The oil price has since cooled to around $63, but the rand also took a hit. It almost broke through the R14.50/$ level last week, but was last trading at R14.62/$ on Wednesday.
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shanezn186 said:
Oh man, here we go again. OIL is why this world's so ****ed up. Curse this disease that is called Humanity. I feel such a shame to be part of this... this planet-destroying disease. **** me.
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You have the power to end it all right now. Just kill yourself.
 
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