Saudi Arabia will now punish feminist women with 'flogging and prison sentences'

[saturnz]

A hypothetical question:

X was invented by somebody near Jerusalem 3000 years ago.

Who do we attribute it to? Jews? Christians? Muslims? ...

who invented what is a petty argument really, what does it prove?

 

[Tokolotshe]

who invented what is a petty argument really, what does it prove?

Just answer the question.

 

[Ponderer]

Yes, I know. And my point was that he was not agnostic, and that he is actually religious. Ergo he does believe in a god.

Get it now?

 

[Tokolotshe]

The conqueror

/runs

remove that part

/and run faster, I will find you!

 

[Splinter]

So you don't get it.

 

[Ponderer]

So you don't get it.

 

[noxibox]

Space flight...? You mean the country that put the first satellite and man in space was actually Christian...?

I suppose the Christians could claim the rocket engineers that made it possible, but then they have previously vehemently denied that regime was Christian.

A hypothetical question:

X was invented by somebody near Jerusalem 3000 years ago.

Who do we attribute it to? Jews? Christians? Muslims? ...

Well the latter two didn't exist then. But even if they did it shouldn't matter. No one group of humans has a monopoly on advancing knowledge. Pagans, Christians, Hindus, Muslims, atheists and many more have contributed as have people of all shades.

 

[Tokolotshe]

Well the latter two didn't exist then. But even if they did it shouldn't matter. No one group of humans has a monopoly on advancing knowledge. Pagans, Christians, Hindus, Muslims, atheists and many more have contributed as have people of all shades.

While not wrong, you're only partially right and give the clue ...

 

[Splinter]

It must be frustrating for you to be reduced to low-brow trolling. In defence of a fictitious god.

 

[Nanfeishen]

where was modern agriculture techniques and medicine , space flight , all math that matters and mass production of goods stolen from?
Perhaps if we find this place where these evil "Western - Euro - Religious" folk are stealing from then we could end all of humanities problems .
Or maybe Chrisitian dominated lands have indeed been a more fertile breeding ground for ideas than any other type of place ever.....

Agricultural techniques, mass food production, irrigation systems etc all pre-date Western Christianity and existed all over the ancient world.
Without gunpowder, explosives and rocketry , all from China you wouldnt have space flight.
Math that matters, dates back to Ancient Greece and Babylonia

The origins of Western astronomy can be found in Mesopotamia, and all Western efforts in the exact sciences are descendants in direct line from the work of the late Babylonian astronomers

Babylonian astronomy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A prime example of how Christianity dealt with people of knowledge.

The first woman mathematician recorded by history was Hypatia of Alexandria (AD 350 - 415). She succeeded her father as Librarian at the Great Library and wrote many works on applied mathematics. Because of a political dispute, the Christian community in Alexandria punished her, presuming she was involved, by stripping her naked and scraping off her skin with clamshells (some say roofing tiles)

Mathematician - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Mass production was being practiced along with Oil refinery in the Far East.

The Chinese were among the first civilizations to refine oil.[540] During 512 A.D. and 518 A.D., in the late Northern Wei Dynasty, the Chinese geographer, politician, and writer Li Daoyuan introduced the process of refining oil intro various lubricants in his famous work Commentary on the Water Classic.[540][541][542] During the first century AD, the Chinese were among the first peoples to refine oil for use as an energy source.[540][542] During the Northern Song Dynasty, a workshop called the "Fierce Oil Workshop", was established in the city of Kaifeng to produce refined oil for the Song military as a weapon. The troops would then fill the iron cans with refined oil and threw them toward the enemy troops, causing a fire – effectively the world's first "fire bomb" The workshop was one of the world's earliest oil refining factories where thousands of people worked to produce Chinese oil powered weaponry.[543]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventions#cite_note-Deng_2011_41-543

List of Chinese inventions - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Western Christian countries are not the original developers in so many things too numerous to mention. As i stated they have simply exploited and built upon previous knowledge.

 

[Ponderer]

It must be frustrating for you to be reduced to low-brow trolling. In defence of a fictitious god.

Not as frustrating as trying to hide that you don't know what Agnostic means after having said that you do know.

 

[Splinter]

Not as frustrating as trying to hide that you don't know what Agnostic means after having said that you do know.

You still haven't shown that I don't.

And you won't be able to either

 

[Ponderer]

You still haven't shown that I don't.

And you won't be able to either

 

[Splinter]

Not as frustrating as trying to hide that you don't know what Agnostic means after having said that you do know.

Oh yes - you didn't deny you have been reduced to low-brow trolling. Us intelligent people pick up on things like that.

 

[Ponderer]

Oh yes - you didn't deny you have been reduced to low-brow trolling. Us intelligent people pick up on things like that.

 

[rietrot]

A hypothetical question:

X was invented by somebody near Jerusalem 3000 years ago.

Who do we attribute it to? Jews? Christians? Muslims? ...

You attribute western civilisation to Christianity. If it weren't for the Christians Europe would still be pagan, killing each other and practicing human sacrifice to appease some tree.

Christianity is the reason why the 3000 year old middle eastern invention spread.

 

[saturnz]

You attribute western civilisation to Christianity. If it weren't for the Christians Europe would still be pagan, killing each other and practicing human sacrifice to appease some tree.

Christianity is the reason why the 3000 year old middle eastern invention spread.

I don't think thats quite how it worked

theres gobekli tepe which still requires lots of explaining

 

[Tokolotshe]

You attribute western civilisation to Christianity. If it weren't for the Christians Europe would still be pagan, killing each other and practicing human sacrifice to appease some tree.

Christianity is the reason why the 3000 year old middle eastern invention spread.

I didn't attribute anything. I asked a question.

As for the rest, it may have merit, but then my question can equally apply in asking what facilitated the spread of Christianity.

 

[STS]

Hey surface
Have you in the meantime established that Einstein was not an Atheist, huh?

What is your hardon with Einstein anyway? Even if he wasn't an atheist, he wasn't a deluded believer that let his belief encumber his work and would have thought you were ignorant too.

 

[Jabulani22]

Agricultural techniques, mass food production, irrigation systems etc all pre-date Western Christianity and existed all over the ancient world.
Without gunpowder, explosives and rocketry , all from China you wouldnt have space flight.
Math that matters, dates back to Ancient Greece and Babylonia

Babylonian astronomy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A prime example of how Christianity dealt with people of knowledge.

Mathematician - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Mass production was being practiced along with Oil refinery in the Far East.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventions#cite_note-Deng_2011_41-543

List of Chinese inventions - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Western Christian countries are not the original developers in so many things too numerous to mention. As i stated they have simply exploited and built upon previous knowledge.
What they didnt invent they improved and perfected.