Saudi's behead drug traffickers

[Cara]

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2033815,00.html

Don't think the Nigerians will come back in a hurry

Quite surprised that the Saudi's still do this type of thing.

 

[Leitmotif]

Why? It works. Being sympathetic to the plight of criminals doesn't.

Criminals should be treated as such.

 

[nthdimension]

It doesn't work. As evidenced by the fact that even in places with the death penalty for smuggling drugs people still do it.

It is an extremely harsh sentence for something that should not even be a crime. Drug laws are just persecution. We persecute a minority because we don't like the way they choose to live. Can we start executing religious leaders?

 

[xtermin8or]

yes harsher sentences, death penalty etc. are not deterrents for criminals, simple fact - no one commits a crime believing he will be caught

 

[Omac]

will never read or use it again.

'apostasy' - wtf

and for all of you who reply with dictionary addresses or wiki, 1. use it in a sentance and 2. get a life!

 

[Cara]

Why? It works. Being sympathetic to the plight of criminals doesn't.

Criminals should be treated as such.

I agree that criminals should be punished but beheading just seems so barbaric to me. Reminds me of the Middle Ages.

 

[MaD]

Dammit there goes my money making scheme

 

[xtermin8or]

so I am a christian, and if I go to Saudi and decide to convert to Islam will they chop my head off ?

 

[Leitmotif]

It doesn't work. As evidenced by the fact that even in places with the death penalty for smuggling drugs people still do it.

It is an extremely harsh sentence for something that should not even be a crime. Drug laws are just persecution. We persecute a minority because we don't like the way they choose to live. Can we start executing religious leaders?

Yes, people still commit crimes, but far fewer. You'll never get past the hardheads who think they'll never be caught, or rid of the poor buggers who have nothing to lose. But you won't find career criminals like we have in SA.

I agree that drug laws should be invalidated. The US' war on drugs kicked off and amazingly violent drug trade. All of America's most famous gangsters date from the time of Prohibition. As soon as prohibition was repealed, people stopped killing each other over the right to produce and sell alcohol. The whole war on drugs strikes me as a double standard, what with cigarette companies and breweries making millions.

Drug use is a personal choice, much like alcohol use or smoking. Then again, those are tightening up too...

 

[Omac]

yes harsher sentences, death penalty etc. are not deterrents for criminals, simple fact - no one commits a crime believing he will be caught

It doesn't work. As evidenced by the fact that even in places with the death penalty for smuggling drugs people still do it.

[slight exaggeration on]Yeah, but they only have two instances in a year and we have thousands of murders and thousands of drug related deaths and thousands of road deaths and thousands of children abused and thous..... You get the picture.[/slight exaggeration off]

 

[Leitmotif]

I agree that criminals should be punished but beheading just seems so barbaric to me. Reminds me of the Middle Ages.

So, you prefer to enhance your own self-image so that you can feel good while achieving very little? Effective methods are effective methods, and criminals shouldn't be accorded the same civilised rights as citizens.

so I am a christian, and if I go to Saudi and decide to convert to Islam will they chop my head off ?

Saudi is Muslim-based. They'll punish heresy against Islam.

 

[xtermin8or]

but they apply the death penalty to apostasy ? so I should get my head chopped off for converting from Christianity to Islam, shouldn't I ?

 

[Leitmotif]

Apostasy in their legal definition might differ from the impression you get. Also, whether it's enforced is another matter. It'd make life quite difficult for people contracting in Saudi, and there are a lot of those...

 

[xtermin8or]

only if you decide to convert

 

[krycor]

Something to consider is this too, as much as i don't like the death penalty who pays for a prisoner's prison term? The prisoner? nope its the country you arrested in, ie the citizens/government. Thus if you know the consequences prior then why do it. Its not like an accident or breathing air. Selling drugs is something you consciously do.

 

[kaspaas]

Bring back public caning for minor offences. (or some other middle age public shaming medium) It will empty the jails. Just think of sitting in a cage of shame with an orange jail bird uniform at a shopping mall where all you buddies can see you for being drunk in public

People will think twice before speeding recklessly after seeing an idiot properly caned in public for driving 180km/h.

Public castration of rapists (without sedation or painkillers) will also save a few women the terror of rape - unfortunately not all.

 

[Cara]

So, you prefer to enhance your own self-image so that you can feel good while achieving very little? Effective methods are effective methods, and criminals shouldn't be accorded the same civilised rights as citizens.

I do agree that criminals lose their rights when they commit a crime and that clearly in SA we need to do something more than just 'reskill' them in prison for more heinous crimes . Just not so sure I trust the death penalty with our judicial system.

If we could guarantee that it will be strictly for convicted murderers and rapists sure thing but with the level of corruption currently in govt I'm not so sure it won't leak over into crimes like political dissidence in 10 or 20 years time.

Currently I trust Mbkei but not so sure about the next guy or the next.

 

[Leitmotif]

Ah, but I'm not talking about here... this is in Saudi.

Also wouldn't trust our government with the death penalty, but the ideal situation would be where we *could*. Hell, I don't even trust our government to protect me and mine at this point.

 

[Darth Garth]

Reminds me of the Middle Ages.

As a muslim country they implement Islamic Sharia Law.

One of the Saudi princesses from the royal family in 1977 was convicted of adultery and she was stoned to death and her lover beheaded ... if I remember correctly it was her own father who threw the first stone.

But if you are unmarried and have sexual relations then you merely get 100 lashes ... that is if you survive .

 

[Cara]

Ah, but I'm not talking about here... this is in Saudi.

Also wouldn't trust our government with the death penalty, but the ideal situation would be where we *could*. Hell, I don't even trust our government to protect me and mine at this point.

I wouldn't dream of telling the Saudi's what they can and can't do

Just thought they may have modernised a bit and gone for the injection or something a little less 'showy' , just can't imagine beheading a person in this day and age.

But since tibby explained that it is part of Sharia law makes more sense now.