Say no to InfraCo

[rpm]

http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Telecoms/916.html

 

[milomak]

In SA it probably doesn't matter who runs it.

 

[bwana]

So private investors, who are already lining up to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on new cable systems, could be chased away.

I dont know if the private sector should be the only ones screwing us.

 

[Syndyre]

But what we need is less state interference, not more, to solve the problems afflicting the sector.

So true, open up the market and allow true competition, not these pseudo-parastatal's competing against each other, this government's obviously still too reliant on the Marxist philosophy they picked up while in exile in Moscow.

 

[msmoorad]

infraco

hi guys!

i dont see a problem.
the millions of dollars that investors are lining up to spend would probably not affect my life in any way.with affirmative action & BEE- i dont stand a chance to benefit from anything- im Indian.
i dont care as long as we get cheap, fast,uncapped & unshaped high speed (1MB per second & over) internet in SA.

VIVA INFRACO!

by the way, i lodged a complaint with the ASASA (avertising standards authority of SA) about telkoms "Do Broadband" advertising campaign.

i said it was misleading sinc ethey say we can do movies and online gaming etc.
with the bloody 1 Gig they give us a month how much online gaming can you do?
and where did u ever see a DVD quality movie thats 1Gig? (unless we download it on a P2P network which is hard to access due to shaping).

guys, please email me at: msmoorad@webmail.co.za if you have anything i can add to how telkoms "do broadband" advertising campaign is misleading and incorrect.

i know u love them sooooo much!

 

[eltherza]

hi guys!
i dont care as long as we get cheap, fast,uncapped & unshaped high speed (1MB per second & over) internet in SA.

and being government owned will mean that this doesnt happen. As far as I can see, the government sees that it's losing it's Telkom power over internal SA so now it's going for the link to the outside world.

 

[XCentricdave]

Hang on, you can't have it both ways. The Government both holding prices high with Telkom and then undercutting everything with Infraco.

Don't care who puts the infrastructure in place - just get it done. We'll sort out all the pricing and regulations later. Lets face it the cables are real and we need them. The regulations and government policies are just paper and can be changed...

 

[Sneeky]

Government justifies this because, it says, the market has failed to deliver.

Help me please. when government officials make statements like the one quoted above, does anyone ever challenge them on this conclusion???

It's ridiculous.

 

[mancombseepgood]

I will say no. infraco = Telkom v2

 

[cookiemonster]

I agree! Infraco, is a BIG no no!!

More competitors mean: innovative products, not just cheaper rates!!

We're not going to get any competitors if Infraco comes into the market like this. If you want cheap 384k connections for years to come... viva la Infraco! If you think they're the answer, then you're really short sighted!

 

[Shake&Bake]

I agree. Government fingers prodding everywhere leaves me clasping my cheeks. Our money going into screwing us over.

Why not let private sector do its own thing and let ICASA actually do their job? (If they ever will )

Government should watch out for our interests - not be investing our money to make money. We pay our taxes, so let us pay our bills to the private sector and then have them pay their taxes.

Saying that they're investing billions means nothing - do they expect a little golden star - they're just flogging cash that we supplied them with.

Private sector is doing just fine internationally - if you have a look at Globetrotters thread about the French and how the mayor is working with the Private sector to jack Paris up - thats the way we should be going.

Are they trying to say that our or the international private sector does not have the cash to throw around to lay a cable?

 

[kaaskop]

Quote: Broadband Internet access in SA has remained terribly expensive because one company, Telkom, has enjoyed a monopoly over the Sat-3/Safe cable system that links SA with cable systems in Portugal and Malaysia..........................Isnt Telkoms rights to the Sat3 cable ending this November? What happens then? We can at least get better prices on the Sat3 cable while were waiting the all the new cables to be laid. Anybody got news on the Sat3 situation?

 

[flysouth]

It is time this government lived up to the free-market lip-service it has paid, since 1994, and to move away from it's communistic, totalitarian leaning tendencies and to get with the free-enterprise concept which serves the free world so well in producing wealth for all citizens.

This is simply another example which shows all who will see, what the true nature of our government is - the state intends to control everyhihng and everyone's lives will be the worse for it - in large and small ways!

A disaster in the making, just as Telkom is a disaster already completed!

 

[antowan]

The biggest **** ups come from good intentions! Government has good intentions I am sure, but they seem to be too stupid to know that they are ****ING UP! Big Time!

 

[ic]

I'm not convinced that guavamint, in general, and as comprised of self-serving individuals gone mad with power, e.g. the Grim Poisonous Ivyness Creep, has good intentions - unless of course lining of pockets is considered to be a good intention whilst the rest of the country suffers. I'm sure someone will tell me that this can be explained away by sheer incompetence, but in the madness there appears to be nefarious method...

 

[Syndyre]

I'm not convinced that guavamint, in general, and as comprised of self-serving individuals gone mad with power, e.g. the Grim Poisonous Ivyness Creep, has good intentions - unless of course lining of pockets is considered to be a good intention whilst the rest of the country suffers. I'm sure someone will tell me that this can be explained away by sheer incompetence, but in the madness there appears to be nefarious method...

I think its a combination of both, they don't realise that by providing us with a better service there'd actually be more investment, business activity etc, i.e. more taxes to splurge on overseas trips. So they're even incompetent at being self-serving.

 

[ic]

I think its a combination of both, they don't realise that by providing us with a better service there'd actually be more investment, business activity etc, i.e. more taxes to splurge on overseas trips. So they're even incompetent at being self-serving.

IMO it only appears that way due to a minority of genuine socialist elements that are almost completely outweighed by the self-serving corrupt communist elements.

 

[Syndyre]

IMO it only appears that way due to a minority of genuine socialist elements that are almost completely outweighed by the self-serving corrupt communist elements.

Probably, I think the core problem is there's no accountability.

 

[DragonLogos]

Ivy was lusting after her post - she stepped over Hay Jay - and throw her toys out until Bam was out the picture - there was a lot of planning - the only fools are those that fall for the stories

 

[captainwifi]

DUNCAN , Duncan you ofcourse work for Naspers who via M-web is a Vansie. As I have been saying laides and gentlemen the Vansies one of our most powerful enemies don't want to much bandwidth because then just like any other commodity ie. apples, bananas or gold it becomes worthless. The fact that Duncan doesn't want to mention is that there are only a few thousand umlungus willing to pay R1000+/month to engage in philosophical debates. The rest of South-Africa and much of our black community won't even bother with the Internet even if you pay them, never mind expect them to pay. But we need to integrate the black community and thus they need bandwidth - for free. Now umlunghus start tjanking saying:"... maar ons soek ook lekke chicken...". That is what Duncan can't say...sigh..... The solution by the ANC is to give everybody free chicken much to the chagrin of 'chicken farmers' or Vansies in our case.

I was wondering just how long Mbeki would have tolerated this Telkom scam, probably just long enough for his inner circle like Ngoyama to get "rich".

Another reason why Naspers via Duncan is talking through their hats is ofcourse that the ECA forbids Naspers from streaming Internet via their DSTV holdings and
ofcourse if you provide to much bandwidht people will pirate DSTV - Naspers - signals and resell it to their neighbours. Stuff like soccer matches inside Soweto comes to mind.