Schalk Burger - I'm now sick of his nonsense

[Picard]

If you want to go watch swan lake go do that rather, this is rugby and you give as good as you get.

Remember Monkey Island 1. Where you had to choose the logical response to an insult from your enemy ...?

In that sense you just failed.

 

[Alan]

I can't speak for Arthur, but I certainly am not getting my wires crossed on this issue. I lost all respect for him after watching him intentionally gouge and opponent's eye - that's just not on in my books, regardless of who you are or how good a rugby player you think you are...

+1

oh p1ss off, if you were playing professional rugby you would be the dirtiest of the lot!!!!

He just liked to stick his fingers in opponents bums :erm:

But open dirt is just that. Vuilgat. Burger has become an embarrassment.

+1

 

[Devill]

Remember Monkey Island 1. Where you had to choose the logical response to an insult from your enemy ...?

In that sense you just failed.

Wow.... your great intellect and solid reasoning has left me dumb-struck.

 

[Picard]

Wow.... your great intellect and solid reasoning has left me dumb-struck.

Let me say again what bakkies does. It is one thing to lay in a few punches in a game (something I don't have that big a problem with - so comparing me to rather wish for something like swan lake is illogical [I still don't understand why you said it]) but it just ticks me off further if someone walks away laughing. First thing I think of is Bakkies is emotionally unstable.

 

[Devill]

Let me say again what bakkies does. It is one thing to lay in a few punches in a game (something I don't have that big a problem with - so comparing me to rather wish for something like swan lake is illogical [I still don't understand why you said it]) but it just ticks me off further if someone walks away laughing. First thing I think of is Bakkies is emotionally unstable.

I ask again please show me where he made a high tackle or he played dirty?

The shoulder charge was a bit petty imo seeing as 3 high tackles was overlooked from the B&I lions.

So you have a problem with him walking away smiling? Why?! laughing in the refs face after a warning might be a problem but being able to stand and grin rather than shouting and swearing at other players imo is awesome.

 

[Picard]

I ask again please show me where he made a high tackle or he played dirty?

The shoulder charge was a bit petty imo seeing as 3 high tackles was overlooked from the B&I lions.

So you have a problem with him walking away smiling? Why?! laughing in the refs face after a warning might be a problem but being able to stand and grin rather than shouting and swearing at other players imo is awesome.

Listen I can't go and show evidence like a youtube link to when bakkies played dirty. But it is a fact that if a fight breaks out he normally is in the thick of it. I stated in my OP my impression of him.

The correct word I were looking for was actually smirking (def: To smile in an affected, often offensively self-satisfied manner).

 

[UtianG]

Agree 100%

 

[sand_man]

Let me say again what bakkies does. It is one thing to lay in a few punches in a game (something I don't have that big a problem with - so comparing me to rather wish for something like swan lake is illogical [I still don't understand why you said it]) but it just ticks me off further if someone walks away laughing. First thing I think of is Bakkies is emotionally unstable.

A commentator recently summed it up nicely when he said the rugby field is Bakkies play ground, he is a big kid out playing professional rugby and loving every minute of it.

Personally I think the man is a legend. I don't know how dirty play can be measured in a sport as physical as rugby... Honestly I don't...

There a 100 legal ways to break the opposition without resorting to dirty play. Why do we assume Bakkies and Schalk are looking at alternatives? I say they innocent of everything other than shear physicality and brutality..

 

[killadoob]

Just because a rugby match is physical does not mean there is no dirty play.

So sandman you think spear tackles are fine then? You think tackling a player and flipping him upside down is just physical and should be allowed? You think eye gauging is just part of a physical game?

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

I can't believe some people are still defending Schalk Burger's complete and utter nonsense - and PDV's nonsensical ramblings about it not being a game for "tutu dancers". I would like to see how all those defending him would like to have a bit of eye-gouging done to them.

Anyway, I am glad he actually got an 8 week ban, although it should've been more looking at other recent cases (12 and 18 weeks for players in the Heineken Cup). Now Brussouw can start

 

[sand_man]

So sandman you think spear tackles are fine then? You think tackling a player and flipping him upside down is just physical and should be allowed? You think eye gauging is just part of a physical game?

Nope, I said there are so many other ways to break the opposition down that players need not resort to any of the outlawed tactics.

Of all the injuries that forced players from the field on Saturday none were as the result of dirty play...

 

[killadoob]

Apart from burger of course who was forced from the field for ten minutes

Yea from injuries though it was all clean.

 

[Devill]

Listen I can't go and show evidence like a youtube link to when bakkies played dirty. But it is a fact that if a fight breaks out he normally is in the thick of it. I stated in my OP my impression of him.

The correct word I were looking for was actually smirking (def: To smile in an affected, often offensively self-satisfied manner).

Again how can you brand him a dirty player if he has not been cited for it?

Thats like calling you a gayboy that had sex with little kids. Now you will tell me that you never did those things, but than I will say I think the way you type in your posts show an utter lack of a trace of testosterone and that IIRC you work with kids. You have to bring evidence if you want to drag someones name through the mud.

Bring FACTS not opinions and we can argue about them. Bakkies will be cited if he, as you say, playing dirty all the time. He has not been cited on any foul play on this tour.....

I agree that burger should be punished even if it was not his intent to gauge the guy's eye out, as he says.

 

[Picard]

Again how can you brand him a dirty player if he has not been cited for it?

Thats like calling you a gayboy that had sex with little kids. Now you will tell me that you never did those things, but than I will say I think the way you type in your posts show an utter lack of a trace of testosterone and that IIRC you work with kids. You have to bring evidence if you want to drag someones name through the mud.

Bring FACTS not opinions and we can argue about them. Bakkies will be cited if he, as you say, playing dirty all the time. He has not been cited on any foul play on this tour.....

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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5hvarsjTX8VOJLLW3DsgPCO3Nycig

Burger and Botha banned
17 hours ago

Schalk Burger has received an eight-week ban after being found guilty of gouging British and Irish Lions wing Luke Fitzgerald.

And Burger's Springboks team-mate Bakkies Botha is also out of the third Test at Ellis Park next Saturday after being suspended for two weeks following a dangerous charge on Lions prop Adam Jones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakkies_Botha

He received a yellow card on his debut against France.[citation needed] Then in August 2003 he was accused of biting and then eye-gouging Wallabies hooker Brendan Cannon, and although there was insufficient video evidence to consider the biting charge, and he was found not guilty of gouging, he was still suspended for eight weeks for "attacking the face".[3] Since 2004 under coach Jake White his wayward discipline had improved, but now in 2009 he seems to be back to his old ways. In April 2009 he received a 3 match ban for striking Phil Waugh in a Super 14 match[4], and in June 2009 whilst playing for South Africa in the second test against the British and Irish Lions, Botha was cited for a dangerous charge on the Lions prop Adam Jones in a ruck which left the Welsh player with a dislocated shoulder that required surgery.[5] Later, Botha was banned for two weeks, which sees him miss the third test against the Lions.[6]

 

[killadoob]

Devil how can you claim burger has not been a dirty player? Because one of your friends knows him and says its so?

 

[sand_man]

Once again I reiterate hard and abrasive Bakkies and Burger are being tagged as dirty...

 

[sand_man]

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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5hvarsjTX8VOJLLW3DsgPCO3Nycig



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakkies_Botha

so 3 incidents in how many tests and provincial games? Not bad if you ask me..

 

[Picard]

so 3 incidents in how many tests and provincial games? Not bad if you ask me..

You know as well as I do there are more.

But my argument has been derailed.

My problem from the start was his disrespectful smirking as he walks away from a fight as if to say those guys are a bunch of useless w@nkers.

 

[Devill]

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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5hvarsjTX8VOJLLW3DsgPCO3Nycig

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakkies_Botha

Wow cited 3 times in 6 years of playing rugby. Please call the police so they can arrest him! He is a criminal!

on him being disrespectful: Why should he show guys respect that make high tackles, hit other players in the nuts, shoulder charge into a ruck etc etc?

Devil how can you claim burger has not been a dirty player? Because one of your friends knows him and says its so?

No, because the evidence does not point towards this. Like I said he has been cited 3 times IIRC for ill behaviour on the field. In 50 matches! He is a flanker not a fullback. You look at other players getting away with murder and then come talk to me again please.

Once again I reiterate hard and abrasive Bakkies and Burger are being tagged as dirty...

+1 We all know Saffas are being targetted. Like Jake white said if McCaw or Waugh had long blond hair they would have been yellow carded so many times they would have been banned.

I tend to agree.

 

[Pitbull]

I have now been sitting back all this time and I feel I can now contribute something here.

Let me start with Bakkies:

He's a very aggressive Lock and that is what makes him one of the greatest Locks of all time. He's a machine on the field and physical in all facets of the game. With that there is nothing other than altercations soon to follow. I won't label him as a dirty player, I will however label him as a very aggressive Rugby player playing his heart out in each and every match. (Let's be honest, we all get a little pee'd off sometimes and contact sport will bring out the beast in you during most of the matches) Think of it as a Lion with a sore paw

Schalk Burger.

What he did on Saturday was the stupidest and most indiscipline thing I have ever seen. This in itself has now labeled him as a dirty player in my books. I cannot in the wildest of wild days ever condone any player doing such dangerous things. If you do damage to that guy's eye, what do you think that does to the rest of his career or life as normal?

He should have been banned from Rugby for 6 months at least. Schalk, you’re a disgrace to SA rugby following that incident.

Now on the lighter side of things:

Schalk has been on the receiving end from referees all over the world and his play style has been the hottest topic ever to come over the loose ball. He had a bad rep and it wasn't justified for a long time. I can only say that I have been on his side from the very first sighting in his playing career. But what he did Saturday leaves a nasty scar and I will never ever be able to see Schalk in the same light again. He has lost all my respect.