School probed over ’no black teachers’

[TheChamp]

I haven't followed this Wesley that much but he must be doing a fine job if the mob here is so against him.

Bangene Wesley, skaba hemisa.

 

[RonSwanson]

This is the article which stated, "white thugs",

Locals clash with black protesters over ‘whites-only’ school graduation in SA

WHITE locals clashed with black protesters and riot cops over an alleged racist “white only” high school graduation prom in South Africa. Police fired a stun grenade after fists –…

www.thesun.co.uk

but it has been changed on the 12th to "white locals", and the article was also then expanded on topic with added elaboration. I don't know why Wesley added it to his post because a little investigation would have shown the article has been corrected, so he had a motive to continue its promotion.

TimesLive also did it,

Reactions pour in as UK publication slams 'white thugs' in Brackenfell High protests

Some have defended the parents, saying the EFF are the ones who displayed thuggish behaviour.

www.timeslive.co.za

published on the 13th when The Sun article was amended and updated on the 12th.

Milking a The Sun article which was initially published without looking at both sides which is the standard in SA, publishing one-sided views only.

To be honest, looking at this, it makes Wesley Fester's statement that they do better investigation than the police services combined incredibly rich.

To their credit, at least they called the expandable baton "... a weapon or device of some kind.", acknowledging their limited understanding of these things.

The man is filmed taking a weapon or device of some kind from his pocket

In the US it would have been an AK47, or a Glock.

 

[rambo919]

I haven't followed this Wesley that much but he must be doing a fine job if the mob here is so against him.

Bangene Wesley, skaba hemisa.

Well his rhetoric is not that much removed from your own so it's to be expected that you would like him.

 

[rambo919]

To their credit, at least they called the expandable baton "... a weapon or device of some kind.", acknowledging their limited understanding of these things.

And knopkieries are not weapons of war but ceremonial tools.

 

[TheChamp]

Well his rhetoric is not that much removed from your own so it's to be expected that you would like him.

Viva Wesley viva! Long live Wesley long live!

 

[Fulcrum29]

I haven't followed this Wesley that much but he must be doing a fine job if the mob here is so against him.

Bangene Wesley, skaba hemisa.

Not really the case, but it seems only to be his videos being promoted which have captured both protests at the school, and not only is he redistributing his own work, but he is also actively campaigning with his own work, and various media outlets have directly quoted him and linked to his socials, and he was interviewed. The Sun (UK) also used his work to assist in producing their article.

 

[RonSwanson]

Not really the case, but it seems only to be his videos being promoted which have captured both protests at the school, and not only is he redistributing his own work, but he is also actively campaigning with his own work, and various media outlets have directly quoted him and linked to his socials, and he was interviewed. The Sun (UK) also used his work to assist in producing their article.

True, he is simply a videographer who sells his work to the highest bidder, allowing them to sensationalise and twist it to their own narrative. He is not a journalist.

Oops, my bad, doesn't that describe our "journalists" of today? Mercenary troops of The Activists?

 

[rambo919]

Oops, my bad, doesn't that describe our "journalists" of today? Mercenary troops of The Activists?

Jounros generally seem to have joined politicians and other whores...... some of them I suspect are good people but most are just nasty.

 

[RonSwanson]

Jounros generally seem to have joined politicians and other whores...... some of them I suspect are good people but most are just nasty.

Journos used to be poorly paid people -- there used to be very few no highly paid jobs in the social sciences field. It used to be a calling, same as nursing, teaching and policing.
Fast forward to today, follow the money and you will see who the true journaslists aren't. Same with the others in social sciences.

 

[Tokolotshe]

To their credit, at least they called the expandable baton "... a weapon or device of some kind.", acknowledging their limited understanding of these things.



In the US it would have been an AK47, or a Glock.

In Boksburg it would be this:



Sorrie julle ...

 

[Fulcrum29]

True, he is simply a videographer who sells his work to the highest bidder, allowing them to sensationalise and twist it to their own narrative. He is not a journalist.

Oops, my bad, doesn't that describe our journalists of today?

Fester have a right to make his commentary, but he is pushing an argument. Just now I had a look at his socials,

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1327325496137355264

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1326047863818903552

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1326577129371426821

it is easy to note that he is concerned. From all my time in Cape Town I know how white people are being generalised (and characterised as racists, colonialists, imperialists, etc.) and, yes, I have experienced racism in SA and I have also witnessed all racial sides dabble therein. How and when Fester experienced racism I don't know. Then look at Ashwin Willemse, he dugged right into Naas and Mallet because he condemned them as being condescending towards whom he is and then later changed it to racism, this when Mallet gave him an opportunity on air to speak when Willemse was indeed late. I remember how the public received that, very well, to have both Naas and Mallet dismissed. Other incidents like Etzebeth and his pack against the Langebaan community... The SAHRC promoted all these incidents loud and proud, but could never establish the Facts.

There are two conclusions and propositions pushed, simultaneously, one argument supporting the other, and it is being accelerated,

1) Conjecture, and
2) prejudice.

and it is even pushed by our president which then in the same essence talks about unity, whilst he lambastes whites. This is the boiling pot, a gas lighted stove.

When people talk about their right to protest they need to know that it is a two-way street, and when they take this right to a school where a basic right is also enshrined then their right is impeding on another right when they should have taken up their plight or cause with the WCED which would have been proper. I don't like the SAHRC, but at least they pointed this out when they had their meeting with the school. Rights apply to us all.

I on purpose quoted Fester's last Tweet, he clearly talks about the Rugby World Cup and then highlights certain sections which is obviously the white section (/cough, generalisation). I need to ask Wesley which sections tried to collapse our Rugby World Cup spirit? These same sections argued that #StrongerTogether was made to silence racism in SA. The entire world reported on this. Even Mapimpi was discarded and dragged through the mud by his skin when he pointed out the bullschittery.

It is incredibly hard to have a union when people don't want a union.

I have lately noticed now with this school incident that many are in the opinion that racism are taught to the children. It is true that schooling starts at home, mainly how to perceive and understand the culture and tradition at home, but I am sure that most people don't promote racism therein. As a white person I have never experienced white people being inherited racist, and those who I know who do have a bad sentiment towards others are mainly due to bad experience.

Anti-racism in my view is at times promoted under a guise which is also racism (and hatred). Flavours…

I have seen various variation on these discussion boards. The East being an example, People don't like Russians because they are Russians, people don't like Chinese because they are Chinese, most which are experiences promoted throughout history, media and even pop culture. The West vs East, going back to the two conclusions and propositions I have named. Social media reeks.

The world is packed with people who want to be better, and I am not using this in the good context in being a better person, I am saying there are people who want to be better than other people that they perceive as less worthy. Supremacy isn’t unique to whites as the world make it out to be as a stigma, neither will those who have aligned themselves as allies stay an ally. There is a lot more to it than what I am saying here.

There are many other topics like xenophobia, ethnonationalism, etc.

 

[rambo919]

Fester have a right to make his commentary, but he is pushing an argument. Just now I had a look at his socials,
snip

All I see in him is just another race-baiting a-hole that pretends to have the best interests of others at heart.

You do not change the opinion of someone that thinks others are inferior by forcing him to toe some kind of public party line. This in fact only entrenches his belief in their inferiority because it proves that they are so inferior they need to be protected from the clearly superior group to which this theoretical racist himself belongs.

You cannot have white privilege without the privileged being inherently superior and the disprivileged being inherently inferior because obviously you cannot actually steal a culture from someone. But still the fairy tales of white demons persist no matter how ludicrous.

You cannot kill racism by being a racist, you kill racism by actually proving equality rather than simply asserting it exists and demanding everyone agree with you because doing otherwise is "traumatizing". If someone wants to be a perpetual child and be coddled his whole life that's his problem not the rest of ours.

 

[umamankandla]

This is the article which stated, "white thugs",

Locals clash with black protesters over ‘whites-only’ school graduation in SA

WHITE locals clashed with black protesters and riot cops over an alleged racist “white only” high school graduation prom in South Africa. Police fired a stun grenade after fists –…

www.thesun.co.uk

but it has been changed on the 12th to "white locals", and the article was also then expanded on topic with added elaboration. I don't know why Wesley added it to his post because a little investigation would have shown the article has been corrected, so he had a motive to continue its promotion.

TimesLive also did it,

Reactions pour in as UK publication slams 'white thugs' in Brackenfell High protests

Some have defended the parents, saying the EFF are the ones who displayed thuggish behaviour.

www.timeslive.co.za

published on the 13th when The Sun article was amended and updated on the 12th.

Milking a The Sun article which was initially published without looking at both sides which is the standard in SA, publishing one-sided views only.

To be honest, looking at this, it makes Wesley Fester's statement that they do better investigation than the police services combined incredibly rich.

How wena, what is wrong with calling them thugs? A thug is a hard person that doesnt cry about shampoo. This statement is correct.

 

[ck1]

Viva Wesley viva! Long live Wesley long live!

Go wash your dry and damaged hair.

 

[Fulcrum29]

How wena, what is wrong with calling them thugs? A thug is a hard person that doesnt cry about shampoo. This statement is correct.

Context matters. Yes, there were thugs on both sides, but mostly there were concerned parents.

The EFF wouldn't appreciate to be branded as thugs, them promoting their protests in peace and all that.

 

[umamankandla]

Context matters. Yes, there were thugs on both sides, but mostly there were concerned parents.

The EFF wouldn't appreciate to be branded as thugs, them promoting their protests in peace and all that.

Dont expect to win a game if you dont want to play it by the same rules. How do you win, one up it. If someone plays dirty, make sure you do the same, just better.

We live in this world now where a huge label is on the screen describing protests as peaceful while in the back of the reporter everything is burning:

Also remember, when you live in the township and are told to protest, there is no rent a crowd - it is and will always be stand with us or be necklaced. It is not a white bubble wena

Edit: for those whities who dont know what necklacing is, it is where if you live in the township and a community leader doesnt like you, you get a tire around you and get set alight. The tire would burn very long to remind the others that this is what will happen if you do not follow those who claim to be in charge

 

[TheChamp]

Go wash your dry and damaged hair.

Okay, sorry, I got carried away in the heat of the moment, I will see myself out.

 

[RonSwanson]

Fester have a right to make his commentary, but he is pushing an argument. Just now I had a look at his socials,

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1327325496137355264

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1326047863818903552

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1326577129371426821

it is easy to note that he is concerned. From all my time in Cape Town I know how white people are being generalised (and characterised as racists, colonialists, imperialists, etc.) and, yes, I have experienced racism in SA and I have also witnessed all racial sides dabble therein. How and when Fester experienced racism I don't know. Then look at Ashwin Willemse, he dugged right into Naas and Mallet because he condemned them as being condescending towards whom he is and then later changed it to racism, this when Mallet gave him an opportunity on air to speak when Willemse was indeed late. I remember how the public received that, very well, to have both Naas and Mallet dismissed. Other incidents like Etzebeth and his pack against the Langebaan community... The SAHRC promoted all these incidents loud and proud, but could never establish the Facts.

There are two conclusions and propositions pushed, simultaneously, one argument supporting the other, and it is being accelerated,

1) Conjecture, and
2) prejudice.

and it is even pushed by our president which then in the same essence talks about unity, whilst he lambastes whites. This is the boiling pot, a gas lighted stove.

When people talk about their right to protest they need to know that it is a two-way street, and when they take this right to a school where a basic right is also enshrined then their right is impeding on another right when they should have taken up their plight or cause with the WCED which would have been proper. I don't like the SAHRC, but at least they pointed this out when they had their meeting with the school. Rights apply to us all.

I on purpose quoted Fester's last Tweet, he clearly talks about the Rugby World Cup and then highlights certain sections which is obviously the white section (/cough, generalisation). I need to ask Wesley which sections tried to collapse our Rugby World Cup spirit? These same sections argued that #StrongerTogether was made to silence racism in SA. The entire world reported on this. Even Mapimpi was discarded and dragged through the mud by his skin when he pointed out the bullschittery.

It is incredibly hard to have a union when people don't want a union.

I have lately noticed now with this school incident that many are in the opinion that racism are taught to the children. It is true that schooling starts at home, mainly how to perceive and understand the culture and tradition at home, but I am sure that most people don't promote racism therein. As a white person I have never experienced white people being inherited racist, and those who I know who do have a bad sentiment towards others are mainly due to bad experience.

Anti-racism in my view is at times promoted under a guise which is also racism (and hatred). Flavours…

I have seen various variation on these discussion boards. The East being an example, People don't like Russians because they are Russians, people don't like Chinese because they are Chinese, most which are experiences promoted throughout history, media and even pop culture. The West vs East, going back to the two conclusions and propositions I have named. Social media reeks.

The world is packed with people who want to be better, and I am not using this in the good context in being a better person, I am saying there are people who want to be better than other people that they perceive as less worthy. Supremacy isn’t unique to whites as the world make it out to be as a stigma, neither will those who have aligned themselves as allies stay an ally. There is a lot more to it than what I am saying here.

There are many other topics like xenophobia, ethnonationalism, etc.

You raise some very interesting and valid points, and I am not going to disagree with you. I think that we are all guilty of wanting to be (or perhaps portray ourselves to be) better (than person X). Moreover, as you have pointed out, this could be seen as a desire to improve oneself, (which the secular world sees as A Good Thing and encourages).

You are examining a lot of the content, and then contrasting / balancing that to the context. It may be a good hermeneutic. Not knocking it, but it's far simpler and easier to examine what someone spends the most of their time on doing, and what the benefit /outcome of it is to them. This will reveal the state of the heart (including that of Festers).
I prefer to look at the motivations, which I believe is a very important factor, not only with Fester, but with many of us, in order to reveal the ultimate objective. The secular world ascribes success to the salary that we earn, the house that we live in, the schools that our kids attend, the cars that we drive, etc.

We are a society that loves Rags To Riches stories. We love the riches but despise the rags.

And in the process we forget that the pedestrian, the guy driving the bicycle, or a 25 year old tazz, is perhaps also successful. Maybe even more so than we are, but for our (mortgaged) homes in Camps' Bay, and the (Wesbank owned) GTi. Perhaps even more so, because he/she hasn't sold her soul out to the secular world's idea of success. The success of reporting the truth no matter what.

The world needs people who do not wish / have no desire / abhor the secular definition/s of success. Especially in social sciences vocations. Good journalists ultimately make the world a better place, this needs to be the goal of any true journalist. Am I saying that all journalists need to be poor and wear rags? Of course not. If some get a lucky break, then it's ok. All good journalists deserve to have enough to satisfy themselves, that does not mean Range Rovers, enougn means a modest reliable car / bicycle. Some may believe that this is a stereotype, and may want to challenge it, but I think that this is wrong.

For the same reason/s, this is also why I believe that policeing and nursing (for example), aren't professions that should be highly paid, because the salary will attract the wrong kind of people. We see ample evidence of this in our current police and nursing services,

 

[umamankandla]

For the same reason/s, this is also why I believe that policeing and nursing (for example), aren't professions that should be highly paid, because the salary will attract the wrong kind of people. We see ample evidence of this in our current police and nursing services,

Hmmm, maybe you are just a communist. In many countries there are highly paid nurses - getting more than auditors in SA and they aren't bad people. Even in some of SA's own (private) hospitals we have very good nurses.

Maybe the problem is the leadership. *Only communists would disagree

 

[rambo919]

Hmmm, maybe you are just a communist. In many countries there are highly paid nurses - getting more than auditors in SA and they aren't bad people. Even in some of SA's own (private) hospitals we have very good nurses.

Maybe the problem is the leadership. *Only communists would disagree

In SA there are nurses getting R50k+ per month..... hardly minimum wage.