Scott's Shipping Services - UNDER POSSIBLE LIQUIDATION

He needs to stop ghosting his former customers though. These are the people that trusted him to offer a service. Even if he really is under liquidation he should still at least respond to the emails he said he would respond to.

Don't make promises you don't intend to keep.
 
RedViking said:
Don't think there is much to say. Everyone who lost money in this is screwed. My hope is he comes back one day and try his best to make right with everyone. For now I think he is just trying to get through each day. Doubt he can afford a bunch of flowers at this stage.
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We deserve some answers even if we don’t see our items or our money.
 
giraffe-saddle said:
Well. Whether it is him or a liquidator or a lawyer someone needs to give some answers here to everyone who has had their money taken from them and nothing to show.
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You would need to contact them they won't easily make public statements.

I do think he should in the very least disclose who is doing the liquidation so that people can confirm where public notice was/will be given and so they can make a claim against the business.
 
B-1 said:
You would need to contact them they won't easily make public statements.

I do think he should in the very least disclose who is doing the liquidation so that people can confirm where public notice was/will be given and so they can make a claim against the business.
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That’s my big concern that he is lying about the liquidation and is just going to walk away with everyone’s money. No consequences because no one did anything about it.
 
IamNoone said:
He needs to stop ghosting his former customers though. These are the people that trusted him to offer a service. Even if he really is under liquidation he should still at least respond to the emails he said he would respond to.

Don't make promises you don't intend to keep.
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giraffe-saddle said:
We deserve some answers even if we don’t see our items or our money.
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I believe he did mention he is dealing under legal advice my bet is the advice he has received is to step away from all matters relating to the business during the process.
 
giraffe-saddle said:
That’s my big concern that he is lying about the liquidation and is just going to walk away with everyone’s money. No consequences because no one did anything about it.
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If that’s the case I am a poor judge of character. That said I’ve been surprised before.

Either way your money is as good as gone. IMHO.
 
giraffe-saddle said:
That’s my big concern that he is lying about the liquidation and is just going to walk away with everyone’s money. No consequences because no one did anything about it.
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I'm struggling to understand the logic here. Are you suggesting that Scott is lying about the liquidation to avoid consequences? How would a non-liquidation change the outcome in this situation?

giraffe-saddle said:
Seems like a hell of a lot of effort. There are easier ways to steal money. I am sure everything was legit for a while. Things probably got sketchy but instead of being honest he continued to take money knowing full well that the ship was sunk. He was busy stuffing his pockets on the way down.
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I personally know of multiple businesses that operate the way I used to survive: paycheck to paycheck.

Some months are better, while others are worse. These businesses are constantly teetering on the brink of collapse, with the sheriff making regular visits. They are at the mercy of patient creditors who, for reasons known only to them, chose to extend a lifeline time and time again. From the outside, these businesses appeared successful, but in reality, they are one missed payment away from a padlock on the door or having their stock liquidated. Sheer luck and the inexplicable grace of a few key creditors is all that keeps the lights on.

I think the average businessman marches forward with the hopes that things will get better and will not dare to 'stop taking orders' when things start to look bad, as that would be seen as giving up!
 
giraffe-saddle said:
That’s my big concern that he is lying about the liquidation and is just going to walk away with everyone’s money. No consequences because no one did anything about it.
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Liquidation doesn't mean the owner of the company "walks away with everyones money".
 
RedViking said:
Don't think there is much to say. Everyone who lost money in this is screwed. My hope is he comes back one day and try his best to make right with everyone. For now I think he is just trying to get through each day. Doubt he can afford a bunch of flowers at this stage.
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I feel a shred of sympathy for the poor bastard having had the experience of going out of business many many years ago. Fortunately, I was able to pay all my creditors because we closed the business (and got salaried jobs) before accumulating a mountain of debt (still spent the next 3 years paying off the leased photocopier and rent on the premises for 8 months before the landlord found another tenant).

I fully understand why anyone who is owed goods paid for in good faith are livid at this point. All I can say to you is I hope your losses aren't too large and it's best to write it off as school fees. Experiences such as these* over the years are why I now tend to only buy from the 'big boys' (TAL, AMZN, brick 'n mortar stores) even though I would prefer to support 'the small guy'.

As an aside, it's why I'm more and more wary of buying 2nd-hand on Carbonite these days too - people are desperate and will destroy decades-old (albeit anonymous) reputations when they get into financial trouble - peace of mind has become more valuable than saving a few rands for me.

* oh, and guaranteed no-hassle returns are the other major factor - it's why I stopped buying anything at IC - they made returns such a hassle that I simply stopped buying from them.
 
ld13 said:
I'm struggling to understand the logic here. Are you suggesting that Scott is lying about the liquidation to avoid consequences? How would a non-liquidation change the outcome in this situation?



I personally know of multiple businesses that operate the way I used to survive: paycheck to paycheck.

Some months are better, while others are worse. These businesses are constantly teetering on the brink of collapse, with the sheriff making regular visits. They are at the mercy of patient creditors who, for reasons known only to them, chose to extend a lifeline time and time again. From the outside, these businesses appeared successful, but in reality, they are one missed payment away from a padlock on the door or having their stock liquidated. Sheer luck and the inexplicable grace of a few key creditors is all that keeps the lights on.

I think the average businessman marches forward with the hopes that things will get better and will not dare to 'stop taking orders' when things start to look bad, as that would be seen as giving up!
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This. You sir are a wordsmith. Great explanation.

Back when I was a young entrepreneur and attended a lot of entrepreneur networking mixers this was the general way of the small business. Not everyone has investors with deep pockets to float the business during these periods but you still need to eat and so do your small group of staff.
 
RedViking said:
They seem to be the only ones offering 3 year warranty on macbooks.
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It's probably worth putting up with their kuk for that warranty but on small items* it's just not worth the hassle.

* the last thing I bought was an Android Media Player for about R1200 that turned out not to work so lekker on my Mom's TV - it's not that they didn't let me return it, they did, but the hassles they gave me for something that I had bought the previous day and was returning with all original packaging, tape, etc just pissed me off.
 
ld13 said:
I'm struggling to understand the logic here. Are you suggesting that Scott is lying about the liquidation to avoid consequences? How would a non-liquidation change the outcome in this situation?



I personally know of multiple businesses that operate the way I used to survive: paycheck to paycheck.

Some months are better, while others are worse. These businesses are constantly teetering on the brink of collapse, with the sheriff making regular visits. They are at the mercy of patient creditors who, for reasons known only to them, chose to extend a lifeline time and time again. From the outside, these businesses appeared successful, but in reality, they are one missed payment away from a padlock on the door or having their stock liquidated. Sheer luck and the inexplicable grace of a few key creditors is all that keeps the lights on.

I think the average businessman marches forward with the hopes that things will get better and will not dare to 'stop taking orders' when things start to look bad, as that would be seen as giving up!
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s0lar said:
This. You sir are a wordsmith. Great explanation.

Back when I was a young entrepreneur and attended a lot of entrepreneur networking mixers this was the general way of the small business. Not everyone has investors with deep pockets to float the business during these periods but you still need to eat and so do your small group of staff.
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Yea please don't try to normalise this kak. I don't run my businesses like this and none of the successful businesses I work with do.

You now who does?

Bozos that none of us will do business with.

This whole lone wolf at the coal face of capitalism tough guy bollocks is played out. My tween daughter runs a business on Instagram, there's no excuse for running a Mickey fscking Mouse 'boer maak n plan' shop nowadays. None.

I see the attitudes above expressed with some frequency, often with tales of butthurt attached and it's pathetic. South Africans need to hold to a higher standard, not just complain all the time.

If you want to be the main-oke then run your damn shchit with some integrity and stop crying about your failings.
 
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