Self-Defence Gun Ban – The Government Wants You Murdered

[alanB]

Crime against the individual is only a small amount of that, most of the murder is business-related.



You don't need a gun to defend yourself. No one will be 'defenseless' against an unorganized mob. If you fear this do yourself a favor and sign up for a Krav Maga class, you would be surprised just how not defenseless a person can be.

Sorry, this is nonsense IMO.

I actually do Krav Maga, and achieved 1st Dan in Karate when I was at varsity.

But most home break-ins/attacks involve at least 3-4 guys - usually armed. Most hijackings are the same. The first thing you learn in self defence is a) if you can, you should run b) if the guy is bigger and stronger than you are, it's best to run, because the odds are you are going to lose c) if you are attacked by more than one guy at a time, you are probably going to lose. Now occasionally people get lucky and can overcome the odds. And with training that is more likely, but training doesn't make you invincible, and the chances of suffering serious injury are always high. If you are not alone the odds get even worse. Hand to hand combat is only a last resort - it's certainly not a great defence strategy.

But once you have a weapon, especially a gun, that all changes.

In our neighbourhood, the police no longer bother answering their phone, when called, during active incidents. You only see them the next day, when they come to fill in the event docket.

So what do you suggest one should do when there are 4 guys with crowbars and guns breaking down your door at midnight? Because that is exactly what happens!

 

[cheesus]

I suggest this. It is not a good situation to be in, but you are hardly defenseless.

Here is another good video.

 

[Splinter]

In our neighbourhood, the police no longer bother answering their phone, when called, during active incidents. You only see them the next day, when they come to fill in the event docket.

This. I've seen it that a large portion of their resources seems to be involved in simply following crime events to do clerical recordings.

 

[Toxxyc]

I don't particularly care for the industry.
I however very much care about my right to legally/legitimately own and use whatever firearm as a means to legally/rightfully protect myself (and others) against violent criminals.

You don't have to care for the industry, but you should care that SAPS wants to control every single aspect with their incompetent and illegal drives to infringe on your right. This can be translated to anything - what if this was for drivers licences that expired? TV licenses not paid? Think about it.

So I have a firearm my late father owned. He however let the licence lapse while he was still alive. The gun is stored safely. I want to now licence and take legal possession of the gun. Is this amnesty for me?

No. This "amnesty" is an illegal attempt by Bheki Cele to collect LEGAL firearms and to destroy them, nothing more. It does not grant people who handed in their renewals a day late the opportunity to renew the licences, or to even apply for renewals. SAPS went against a court order and changed their licencing system (the actual software) to not accept any applications even one day late, even if the SAPS forms provides the space for this in the official documentation.

This amnesty has one goal - Get citizens to "voluntarily" hand over their firearms to SAPS without risk of prosecution. That's it. It does not provide the time or effort to renew the licences, and, contrary to the court order that ordered them to do so, they still do not accept "late applications for renewal".

Also, Mowgs' question has merit. Depending on where the firearm is will affect if you can or can not apply. If it's in a legal estate or with the executor, for example, chances are you can apply. If it just lies there, you're in contravention of the law, and chances are you won't be able to apply. So the question is valid. A "safe place" might be "safe", but not legal, so keep that in mind.

 

[My_King]

This. I've seen it that a large portion of their resources seems to be involved in simply following crime events to do clerical recordings.

Pay your taxes, its the right thing to do.....
Same people who say these cnuts will protect you when you phone them are saying ban guns.

 

[Toxxyc]

You don't need a gun to defend yourself. No one will be 'defenseless' against an unorganized mob. If you fear this do yourself a favor and sign up for a Krav Maga class, you would be surprised just how not defenseless a person can be.

All Krav Maga I've seen against firearms are always displayed in very close quarters, with an incompetent gunman. "Perfect scenarios", so the speak, just like those videos you posted. When the gunman has distance or numbers, like they do in SA, you're screwed, no matter how many Maga's you have Kravved in your time.

 

[My_King]

Sorry, this is nonsense IMO.

I actually do Krav Magna, and achieved 1st Dan in Karate when I was at varsity.

But most home break-ins/attacks involve at least 3-4 guys - usually armed. Most hijackings are the same. The first thing you learn in self defence is a) if you can, you should run b) if the guy is bigger and stronger than you are, it's best to run, because the odds are you are going to lose c) if you are attacked by more than one guy at a time, you are probably going to lose. Now occasionally people get lucky and can overcome the odds. And with training that is more likely, but training doesn't make you invincible, and the chances of suffering serious injury are always high. If you are not alone the odds get even worse. Hand to hand combat is only a last resort - it's certainly not a great defence strategy.

But once you have a weapon, especially a gun, that all changes.

In our neighbourhood, the police no longer bother answering their phone, when called, during active incidents. You only see them the next day, when they come to fill in the event docket.

So what do you suggest one should do when there are 4 guys with crowbars and guns breaking down your door at midnight? Because that is exactly what happens!

When he eventually replies I guess he will also note you are not allowed to use knifes.....cause stupidity.

 

[cheesus]

If you can get between 12 feet of your assaulter, you can get to him before he has time to draw his weapon. That is if the assailant has his weapon in a holster. If he does not then you get more time. As I say you are at a disadvantage, but really you are not defenseless.

All Krav Maga I've seen against firearms are always displayed in very close quarters, with an incompetent gunman. "Perfect scenarios", so the speak, just like those videos you posted. When the gunman has distance or numbers like they do in SA, you're screwed, no matter how many Maga's you have Kravved in your time.

How can you possibly say that gunmen will always have distance on you? A house-break is a close-range attack by nature. What kind of house do you have that if a person breaks in he is going to have 12 feet on you.

 

[My_King]

All Krav Maga I've seen against firearms are always displayed in very close quarters, with an incompetent gunman. "Perfect scenarios", so the speak, just like those videos you posted. When the gunman has distance or numbers, like they do in SA, you're screwed, no matter how many Maga's you have Kravved in your time.

Nah dude, klap a Walker Texas Ranger.

 

[OCP]

 

[OCP]

All Krav Maga I've seen against firearms are always displayed in very close quarters, with an incompetent gunman. "Perfect scenarios", so the speak, just like those videos you posted. When the gunman has distance or numbers, like they do in SA, you're screwed, no matter how many Maga's you have Kravved in your time.

exactly

Most people think "fights" happen like they do on TV with people squaring of and having time to prepare/assess you next movement.
Real life is very different in my (limited) personal experience - they will go at you when you are unaware and unprepared to resist.

 

[OCP]

If you can get between 12 feet of your assaulter, you can get to him before he has time to draw his weapon. That is if the assailant has his weapon in a holster. If he does not then you get more time. As I say you are at a disadvantage, but really you are not defenseless.



How can you possibly say that gunmen will always have distance on you? A house-break is a close-range attack by nature. What kind of house do you have that if a person breaks in he is going to have 12 feet on you.

Seriously dude - you need a reality check.

Not sure where you are but go do some training with the likes of Mark Human, then come talk to us about how criminals fight in the real world.

 

[Toxxyc]

If you can get between 12 feet of your assaulter, you can get to him before he has time to draw his weapon. That is if the assailant has his weapon in a holster. If he does not then you get more time. As I say you are at a disadvantage, but really you are not defenseless.



How can you possibly say that gunmen will always have distance on you? A house-break is a close-range attack by nature. What kind of house do you have that if a person breaks in he is going to have 12 feet on you.

And if the attacker already has the gun drawn and pointed, and he knows a little bit about firearms and he's not holding it like a dummy in that first vid you posted? He knows his ****, keeping the gun close, gripping it with both hands? You're assuming best case scenario. That's fine if you want to take the risk. I'm assuming worst case, because then I'm prepared across the board. What if the attacker is on the other side of a gate, shooting at you? Outside a window? You gonna Krav Maga through the burglar bars? Also, what if there's more than one (which there almost always is in South Africa)?

 

[Moosedrool]

I suggest this. It is not a good situation to be in, but you are hardly defenseless.

Here is another good video.

Given the guy with a gun is in reach and you're lucky as ****. Yes you technically defenceless.

 

[Toxxyc]

(GOSA poster)

Man, it's almost like I know what I'm talking about. Almost like I've been passionately following and studying the SA firearm law, the developments and happenings around it for the past ~10 years. Who'd have thunk?

 

[Tokolotshe]

So, while we're tackling the gun abuse, how do we tackle rape, Bheki?



Bheki, you first!

 

[LPCPT]

People who consider handing their guns over to SAPS should seriously consider destroying the mechanism and make it completely useless. That is the only way you can ensure that the gun will not end up in the hands of criminals. I will not trust SAPS to destroy it. A good number will end up on the black market.
No matter what Bheki says.

 

[Toxxyc]

People who consider handing their guns over to SAPS should seriously consider destroying the mechanism and make it completely useless. That is the only way you can ensure that the gun will not end up in the hands of criminals. I will not trust SAPS to destroy it. A good number will end up on the black market.
No matter what Bheki says.

That's not legal. You're not allowed to alter anything on the action or barrel or your firearm. You could end up being charged with a crime.

 

[ponder]

You gonna Krav Maga through the burglar bars?

 

[dualmeister]

Steal one from the police like everyone else.