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Sentech National W-DSL Launch 1/12/03 !
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datawizard
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Sheesh, I just spent 2 hours reading this topic!!!!Hectic!
Ive been pondering and toying and bluffing and faking my eventual purchase of DSL, annoying the old salesman in the Telkom office at Bayside (man this oke is something!) always mindful of the next big thing. I've spent 2 months reading all the gripes on this site, talking to Telkom, ADSL users and all along i've stuck it out with my little 56k Sahara PCI modem costing me R49 (ex) My question is, is Sentech the answer, or is there something else hiding behind Sentech? Really, is this it, is this as good as it may get?
Ive been pondering and toying and bluffing and faking my eventual purchase of DSL, annoying the old salesman in the Telkom office at Bayside (man this oke is something!) always mindful of the next big thing. I've spent 2 months reading all the gripes on this site, talking to Telkom, ADSL users and all along i've stuck it out with my little 56k Sahara PCI modem costing me R49 (ex) My question is, is Sentech the answer, or is there something else hiding behind Sentech? Really, is this it, is this as good as it may get?
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<br />Sheesh, I just spent 2 hours reading this topic!!!!Hectic!
Ive been pondering and toying and bluffing and faking my eventual purchase of DSL, annoying the old salesman in the Telkom office at Bayside (man this oke is something!) always mindful of the next big thing. I've spent 2 months reading all the gripes on this site, talking to Telkom, ADSL users and all along i've stuck it out with my little 56k Sahara PCI modem costing me R49 (ex) My question is, is Sentech the answer, or is there something else hiding behind Sentech? Really, is this it, is this as good as it may get?
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Welcome aboard datawizard.
I think most of us are hoping Sentech will be the answer. But just as with any other service provider, you never know until you've tried them. We'd be foolish to think any one service provider will be 100% perfect, but right now almost anything should be better than Telkom. So all I can say is....lets wait and see.
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<br />Sheesh, I just spent 2 hours reading this topic!!!!Hectic!
Ive been pondering and toying and bluffing and faking my eventual purchase of DSL, annoying the old salesman in the Telkom office at Bayside (man this oke is something!) always mindful of the next big thing. I've spent 2 months reading all the gripes on this site, talking to Telkom, ADSL users and all along i've stuck it out with my little 56k Sahara PCI modem costing me R49 (ex) My question is, is Sentech the answer, or is there something else hiding behind Sentech? Really, is this it, is this as good as it may get?
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Welcome aboard datawizard.
I think most of us are hoping Sentech will be the answer. But just as with any other service provider, you never know until you've tried them. We'd be foolish to think any one service provider will be 100% perfect, but right now almost anything should be better than Telkom. So all I can say is....lets wait and see.
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United we stand!
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Just a prediction:
Once sentech goes live, many people (especially power users) will move over to sentech. The performance and service from sentech will be great in the beginning, but as more people move over to them their bandwidth will become saturated and performances will start to degrade, in the mean time the ADSL service will pick up, less power subscribers.
Hopefully not, but i suspect that sentech will realise that they could get away will just slightly better or just even quality service to Telkom and still keep their subscriber base.(milking the cow)
Then hopefully some time in the next 2 years we will get the 2nd licence and the cycle will repeat, with both telkom and sentech improving their service a bit to compete with the new player. I expect that this cat and mouse game will continue for at least the next 2 to 3 years before we can look forward to stable well priced broadband.
Lets hope i am wrong
Once sentech goes live, many people (especially power users) will move over to sentech. The performance and service from sentech will be great in the beginning, but as more people move over to them their bandwidth will become saturated and performances will start to degrade, in the mean time the ADSL service will pick up, less power subscribers.
Hopefully not, but i suspect that sentech will realise that they could get away will just slightly better or just even quality service to Telkom and still keep their subscriber base.(milking the cow)
Then hopefully some time in the next 2 years we will get the 2nd licence and the cycle will repeat, with both telkom and sentech improving their service a bit to compete with the new player. I expect that this cat and mouse game will continue for at least the next 2 to 3 years before we can look forward to stable well priced broadband.
Lets hope i am wrong
Here is how I see the Broadband situation. Yes Sentech will have great broadband for the first 250 or so users in one area, but then they will start to feel the pinch and the bandwidth will not be sufficient for all the Users.
Just like any other business as soon as you get enough clientel you can UPGRADE your output for your service to include more subcribers.
I know Sentech has ordered 12 racks (120000) users now if that is full they can't accomidate that amount of people I think.
They fist want to see what kind of demand there is otherwise there is just to much bandwidth sitting there currently doing nothing. I would have assumed TELKOM would have done this.
I mean it's just good business sence. A service makes money and is in demand you increase the output to assure the same for each client in turn that increases your revenue and your number of users you can start doing things , like creating more access points and buying more bandwidth thus your business grows with the technology and the clients are happy.
It's sort of a win/win situation you get the latest technologies and you get the money to support that upgrade and your clients will be happy with your service.
That is the ideal world
Unfrotunately not all businesses follow it and their clients become aggrivated as well they should be they are PAYING for that service with their hard earned cash.
If the company that offers the service can't deliver then you should have every right to complain.
Just my 2c
IS THAT BETTER(LAZY BOYS!)
Regards
Cerberus
Just like any other business as soon as you get enough clientel you can UPGRADE your output for your service to include more subcribers.
I know Sentech has ordered 12 racks (120000) users now if that is full they can't accomidate that amount of people I think.
They fist want to see what kind of demand there is otherwise there is just to much bandwidth sitting there currently doing nothing. I would have assumed TELKOM would have done this.
I mean it's just good business sence. A service makes money and is in demand you increase the output to assure the same for each client in turn that increases your revenue and your number of users you can start doing things , like creating more access points and buying more bandwidth thus your business grows with the technology and the clients are happy.
It's sort of a win/win situation you get the latest technologies and you get the money to support that upgrade and your clients will be happy with your service.
That is the ideal world
Unfrotunately not all businesses follow it and their clients become aggrivated as well they should be they are PAYING for that service with their hard earned cash.If the company that offers the service can't deliver then you should have every right to complain.
Just my 2c
IS THAT BETTER(LAZY BOYS!)
Regards
Cerberus
Just a thought:
Please correct me if my assumption is wrong,
Assumptions:
with Telkom ADSL, the bulk of the price is the rental of the line, and a minor part is the bandwidth (the portion payable to ISP's),
With the sentech solution, there is no monthly line rental, all equipment is owned by the user, so the monthly fee is purely the bandwidth rental.
Since the monthly charge for bandwidth with Sentech is double telkums, it leaves 2 options :
Either they are making a hell of a profit on us suckers that will take the service,
Or they have a much better user to line ratio.
I'm assuming since telkom has never released their user to line ratios, they STINK, so a 50:1 ratio might just be quite a decent service.
Please correct me if my assumption is wrong,
Assumptions:
with Telkom ADSL, the bulk of the price is the rental of the line, and a minor part is the bandwidth (the portion payable to ISP's),
With the sentech solution, there is no monthly line rental, all equipment is owned by the user, so the monthly fee is purely the bandwidth rental.
Since the monthly charge for bandwidth with Sentech is double telkums, it leaves 2 options :
Either they are making a hell of a profit on us suckers that will take the service,
Or they have a much better user to line ratio.
I'm assuming since telkom has never released their user to line ratios, they STINK, so a 50:1 ratio might just be quite a decent service.
Thats a very valid point Dorris. I heard it muttered that Sentech will be working on 50:1 ratio's on 2mb but not sure if thats the 512k satellite solution.
Still R200 is still a lot to pay for 3GB of bandwidth, I only pay R119 per month and can download in excess of 6/7 GB and thats just 64kbps.
Lets hope that Sentech will be customer orientated and if they do have some extra bandwidth cash they will use it.
Still R200 is still a lot to pay for 3GB of bandwidth, I only pay R119 per month and can download in excess of 6/7 GB and thats just 64kbps.
Lets hope that Sentech will be customer orientated and if they do have some extra bandwidth cash they will use it.
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I have it from a reliable source that the contention ratio for Telkom ADSL is 200:1.
Also, you're not paying R220 for your ADSL bandwidth, you're paying R680 + R220 = R900. Remember that you ALREADY pay for the telephone line (an additional R70 I think). There's no logical reason why you should pay R680 extra (above the R70) for an ADSL line, since there is no difference between between a regular phone line and a DSL line - the only difference is the equipment at either end.
It doesn't matter who your "ISP" is, if you use ADSL in SA your bandwidth is supplied by Telkom and they collect probably 90% of what you pay your ISP. ISPs are basically just reselling the Telkom product and making a few rand off you in exchange for telephone support, etc.
Also, you're not paying R220 for your ADSL bandwidth, you're paying R680 + R220 = R900. Remember that you ALREADY pay for the telephone line (an additional R70 I think). There's no logical reason why you should pay R680 extra (above the R70) for an ADSL line, since there is no difference between between a regular phone line and a DSL line - the only difference is the equipment at either end.
It doesn't matter who your "ISP" is, if you use ADSL in SA your bandwidth is supplied by Telkom and they collect probably 90% of what you pay your ISP. ISPs are basically just reselling the Telkom product and making a few rand off you in exchange for telephone support, etc.
datawizard
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Cerberus</i>
<br />Here is how I see the Broadband situation. Yes Sentech will have great broadband for the first 250 or so users in one area, but then they will start to feel the pinch and the bandwidth will not be sufficient for all the Users.
Just like any other business as soon as you get enough clientel you can UPGRADE your output for your service to include more subcribers.
I know Sentech has ordered 12 racks (120000) users now if that is full they can't accomidate that amount of people I think.
They fist want to see what kind of demand there is otherwise there is just to much bandwidth sitting there currently doing nothing. I would have assumed TELKOM would have done this.
I mean it's just good business sence. A service makes money and is in demand you increase the output to assure the same for each client in turn that increases your revenue and your number of users you can start doing things , like creating more access points and buying more bandwidth thus your business grows with the technology and the clients are happy.
It's sort of a win/win situation you get the latest technologies and you get the money to support that upgrade and your clients will be happy with your service.
That is the ideal world Unfrotunately not all businesses follow it and their clients become aggrivated as well they should be they are PAYING for that service with their hard earned cash.
If the company that offers the service can't deliver then you should have every right to complain.
Just my 2c
IS THAT BETTER(LAZY BOYS!)
Regards
Cerberus
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Take an average of R800 pm, Sentech is ready to to take a monthly income of R9 600 000...PER MONTH. That some tom. They can afford some nice KB/s Imagine what spermcount is making off you okes...bummer, shoulda waited for Sentech!
<br />Here is how I see the Broadband situation. Yes Sentech will have great broadband for the first 250 or so users in one area, but then they will start to feel the pinch and the bandwidth will not be sufficient for all the Users.
Just like any other business as soon as you get enough clientel you can UPGRADE your output for your service to include more subcribers.
I know Sentech has ordered 12 racks (120000) users now if that is full they can't accomidate that amount of people I think.
They fist want to see what kind of demand there is otherwise there is just to much bandwidth sitting there currently doing nothing. I would have assumed TELKOM would have done this.
I mean it's just good business sence. A service makes money and is in demand you increase the output to assure the same for each client in turn that increases your revenue and your number of users you can start doing things , like creating more access points and buying more bandwidth thus your business grows with the technology and the clients are happy.
It's sort of a win/win situation you get the latest technologies and you get the money to support that upgrade and your clients will be happy with your service.
That is the ideal world
Unfrotunately not all businesses follow it and their clients become aggrivated as well they should be they are PAYING for that service with their hard earned cash.If the company that offers the service can't deliver then you should have every right to complain.
Just my 2c
IS THAT BETTER(LAZY BOYS!)
Regards
Cerberus
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Take an average of R800 pm, Sentech is ready to to take a monthly income of R9 600 000...PER MONTH. That some tom. They can afford some nice KB/s Imagine what spermcount is making off you okes...bummer, shoulda waited for Sentech!
OK,
Took me a while to read all these posts. Spoke to a "sales" person at Sentech and <b>extracted</b> the following :
- Launch date 1 Dec 2003 for JHB
- Lauch for CT is a few days/weeks after that
- Cost for initial set up is around R3000-00
- Monthly cost comparable to ADSL
- No cap
- Bree STreet in CT being fitted out with racks. Sales chappie could not tell me how many racks etc but makes sense as he is in sales
- Since I am in Durbanville - hehe - I cannot wait for this
The only problem is that it is about 4 weeks away
Hope this helps
Took me a while to read all these posts. Spoke to a "sales" person at Sentech and <b>extracted</b> the following :
- Launch date 1 Dec 2003 for JHB
- Lauch for CT is a few days/weeks after that
- Cost for initial set up is around R3000-00
- Monthly cost comparable to ADSL
- No cap
- Bree STreet in CT being fitted out with racks. Sales chappie could not tell me how many racks etc but makes sense as he is in sales
- Since I am in Durbanville - hehe - I cannot wait for this
The only problem is that it is about 4 weeks away
Hope this helps
I have now just finished reading this forum from the start, it would seem that most are confusing the pricing that currently has been quoted for the satellite service, with the soon to be released BBW. Although the BBW pricing is not available right now, it is the intention that it should be sub-ADSL.
Important factors to remember is that as with the satellite offering, there will also be a contention ratio of 50:1. At least you know this up-front.
Secondly, the coverage areas for the launch will be very CBD specific, (JHB, Midrand, PTA, DBN, CT)with roll out of more cities and wider coverage in the future.
Another important factor in this offering is that Sentech has joined the ranks of 1st tier ISP's with an added advantage that information from the international backbone is returned to SA direct via satellite (teleport in the UK)
As was mentioned in the earlier comment, this info comes from sales so no technical questions please [^]
Harold Bennie
083 230-1123
Important factors to remember is that as with the satellite offering, there will also be a contention ratio of 50:1. At least you know this up-front.
Secondly, the coverage areas for the launch will be very CBD specific, (JHB, Midrand, PTA, DBN, CT)with roll out of more cities and wider coverage in the future.
Another important factor in this offering is that Sentech has joined the ranks of 1st tier ISP's with an added advantage that information from the international backbone is returned to SA direct via satellite (teleport in the UK)
As was mentioned in the earlier comment, this info comes from sales so no technical questions please [^]
Harold Bennie
083 230-1123